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In thinking there has been a massive cover up in the death of little Poppi Worthington ?? [Upsetting content warning added by MNHQ]

121 replies

BreadAndOliveOil · 28/11/2015 23:54

I've namechanged for this as i'm local to the town this baby is from.

I cannot believe the huge fuck ups that have occured in investigating this childs death, this child had broken bones and other injuries indicating a serious sexual assault......no clear way of knowing as all evidence had been destroyed by the time police decided to investigate 9 months later. I cannot believe how little this has been reported in the media now the case is coming to court.

To top it all, nobody is being prosecuted for this babies death, not for the injuries sustained. She's dead, that's it. How can this be ?? I don't understand how this is able to happen ??!

I've linked one of the least, distressing articles. This really is one of the most upsetting cases i've heard of. I cannot believe that someone is in all probability getting away with the murder of this little girl. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/child-protection/12019722/Poppi-Worthington-Toddler-could-have-been-sexually-assaulted-before-unexplained-death-hearing-told.html

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DisappointedOne · 29/11/2015 13:47

They're saying now 1 in 5 girls have been sexually abused.

Who exactly is saying that?! That's an extraordinary figure.

UsernameIncorrect · 29/11/2015 13:47

His stepson made, and retracted, a report of abuse. He was interviewed by police for having associations with an abuser. (According to a link in that Telegraph article.)

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 29/11/2015 13:55

It is being reviewed. The inquest continues on Monday but as mentioned above, there will also be serious case reviews. Now that the media are reporting on this, it's far less likely to be silenced.

What a horrendous article, though, and that poor baby. There are no words.

wickedlazy · 29/11/2015 14:04

Google it dissappointed one. Some of the figures are shocking. Globally, it's a huge problem. We thought it didn't happen here very often, but a lot of people coming forward now don't paint such a good picture, looking back. Much more prevailant that previously thought. Even now still cases like this coming out and we don't know the full extent.

spritefairy · 29/11/2015 14:11

Poor baby Sad

I always hate hearing these stories as I can hear screaming in my head everytime. How can anyone hurt a child?

DisappointedOne · 29/11/2015 14:14

Google it dissappointed one. Some of the figures are shocking. Globally, it's a huge problem. We thought it didn't happen here very often, but a lot of people coming forward now don't paint such a good picture, looking back. Much more prevailant that previously thought. Even now still cases like this coming out and we don't know the full extent.

There are also a lot of false claims and planted false memories. If you're going to quote a figure, it's for you to name your sources, not for others to go hunting for it! Hmm

2PurpleCrocs · 29/11/2015 14:34

I'm a foster carer and sadly this is far from the only "unreported" child death that could have been prevented. It makes me so angry that 13 years and countless other child deaths after the Laming report the various agencies involved in child protection (schools, police, social services etc) still DO NOT talk to each other!

I have first hand experience, the most recent instance being just last week, of damage caused by information not being shared.

Whilst Children's Social Care budgets are still being slashed I can see no way of this improving.

givemushypeasachance · 29/11/2015 14:50

There's no point throwing statistics around without sourcing them so people can assess how reliable they are.

For example this website comes up with an even more shocking claim "1 in 3 girls and 1 in 5 boys are sexually abused by the time they reach age 18". But if you look closer, it's a US website that last seems to have been updated in 2006 and they give no source for the survey or study producing those figures. Anyone could have made them up, or it could be based on a survey where sexual abuse had a very wide definition e.g. having seen inappropriate photos or video (which probably most children with access to the internet have done).

There are hugely variable statistics out there as this page shows - you can quote figures ranging from 1 in 5 girls to 3/4 of teenagers to 1.6% of teenagers having been victims of abuse or assault, depending on the study.

gotthemoononastick · 29/11/2015 16:11

Wicked,I am an old woman now and remember my granny and mother being vigilant about older children playing with young ones and especially playing 'hiding go seek' .

I was the same when my turn came.Sleepovers not to be contemplated.Who would even send children to sleep in a house where you only have scant acquaintance with the occupants?

Thank God my children have absorbed the paranoia gene in spite of the bleating about"everyone does it" when they were young, and are vigilant now as well.

Instinct is the way to go!

I too could not read that link as it would stay and hurt my heart for a long time.

OpiesOldLady · 29/11/2015 16:35

I recently, as in earlier on this year, did some work with the Lucy Faithful Foundation, a leader in child abuse and exploitation resources and training within the UK.

The statistics then, were that one in six children would be sexually abused by the time they are 16. It was also stated that 40% of abusers are male, 30% are female and the other 30% are other young people under the age of 16.

In my children's school, that means there are potentially 120 children that have been, or are right now, being abused. Sadly two of my children make up that statistic.

That also means though that there are almost that many abusers living in a small area - now in my local area I can name at least five or six primary schools... that's an awful lot of victims and an awful lot of abusers. It's horrifying.

I've learnt through experience though, that there's not a peado on every corner. There are abusers in our homes, our families. Men and women that you would never consider a threat to your babies. But they are.

My heart goes out to baby Poppi. She wasn't loved in this world, I hope she is in the next.

TracyBarlow · 29/11/2015 16:36

If the journalists involved had not protested and protested, at their own expense and using their own time, then unfortunately this case would never have been heard in open court.

There are countless cases that are heard behind closed doors, in the family court, where there are terrible things happening but they cannot be reported on. Coroners' courts are becoming more secretive (I've recently had a coroner refuse to release the name of the dead person, until my editor became heavily involved). But sadly there is no public appetite for open justice until something like this happens.

There are countless calls by the public for criminals to have anonymity until a conviction which will only result in more secrecy in our courts.

In this case there is no doubt that the coroner has been complicit in covering up the police's errors by holding a pathetic seven minute inquest. Just who did he think he was protecting? The child? No. The police? possibly. The family? Definitely, and misguidedly it seems. And yet the coroner is answerable seemingly to nobody, will face no action, and is not even subject to the freedom of information act so no questions can be asked of him.

I get weekly calls from families protesting that we have reported on the inquests of their loved-ones. This case shows why it's so important to keep inquests public.

There will be a serious case review, and like most others, the identities of the people involved will be redacted so it can't adequately be reported on.

NorthernLurker · 29/11/2015 16:37

This is an awful case and I agree it appears that this child was let down by those who should have found out what had happened to her. How any child can appear at hospital with two breaks in her leg, let alone her other injuries, and it NOT be investigated as a crime, is hard to believe.

However I don't think we are helping anybody if we simply see sexual abusers everywhere. In particular I don't think it's proportionate at all to stop dc from going to sleepovers.

Dexterjamesmummy · 29/11/2015 16:40

Poor, poor little girl x
My little boy died at home 18 months ago, he was almost the same age as Poppi. Our experience with the police was so different. I was questioned at the hospital, I was glad to be questioned because I just wanted to know why my baby died.
When we got home about 7 hours later the police were still in my house, some of the officers had been crying.
The senior investigating officer told us at our inquest that he knew within 30 seconds of entering our house that I hadn't hurt my little boy. That meant a hell of a lot to me and I'll never forget him saying it. We couldn't fault the officers who handled our situation.
I don't know how anyone could harm a defenceless baby, somebody should be charged for it.

GloGirl · 29/11/2015 17:33

Oh Dexter, these words must sound hollow but I am truly sorry for your loss Flowers

Dexterjamesmummy · 29/11/2015 17:43

Thank you GloGirl x it doesn't sound hollow, losing a child is the worst thing you can go through so reading stories like this really does upset me. I would've given my life for my ĺittle boy.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/11/2015 17:45

The baby died, she had two broken legs and blood all over her nappy and they didn't pursue an investigation?
It's astounding, absolutely astounding.

WelshMoth · 29/11/2015 19:57

Dexter, my heart aches for you. I'm so sorry about your little boy.

Helmet, it's beyond unthinkable. I don't know what else to say.

PiperChapstick · 30/11/2015 01:10

Yes there is, I've also followed it and it's just awful I have cried many tears over this Sad

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 30/11/2015 07:32

So sorry for the heart breaking loss of your beautiful son, Dexter.
Flowers x

Chocolatecoins5 · 30/11/2015 07:58

Yanbu this needs to be investigated. That poor poor child. It's this kind of lazy and thick approach that allows paedophiles to remain in the community and reoffend.

wickedlazy · 30/11/2015 10:10

Chocolatecoins is right. Where's the man who did this, right now Confused.

They are literally just letting these men do what they want, and get off scott free. Know friends and family who have an abuser still alive. Somewhere. All this institutional stuff coming out now too, that doctors and policemen were involved. Now this and other stories like it.

Millie Martins killer was given 25 years. What did this guy get? Think 25 years is closer to the mark. From what I'm seeing in article, it's obvious the little girl was... I can't even type it. It's too grim.

PiperChapstick · 30/11/2015 12:02

wicked it seems he is walking free as police fudged investigation. It's completely terrifying for everyone involved

BreadAndOliveOil · 30/11/2015 12:13

Exactly that.
He's walking free because people didnt do their jobs properly........he was so 'innocent' the other children were removed from the.house but due to the fact they have no real evidence he will always be innocent.

And what about the childs broken leg ?? How the hell is that missed ??

The whole things so cocked up it borders on the bizarre. I really am so shocked that cases like this are happening in this country. There's incompetent.......and then there's people who just shouldnt be in the job.

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Ohfourfoxache · 30/11/2015 12:54

Oh Dexter I'm so so sorry Sad

This is horrific. Beyond horrific. There MUST be something we can do, surely?

Rest in peace, little angel xx

Owllady · 30/11/2015 13:06

Not only that, in another article I've read, they'd got rid of computers etc after she'd died. It all sounds well iffy. Hideous.
Poor child :(

Dexter, I'm sorry about your little boy :( xxx

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