Cinema ban on the Lord's Prayer

[Leafitout]

Surely if anyone finds this advert offensive they can choose not to watch it. I can't see the problem with showing it.

No, you answer the question I asked.

I have explained my feelings a number of times. The demonstrable effect is that you have co-opted me into your religious practice against my will and disrespected me in a way I consider to be fundamental. No-one will die, people will not lose limbs etc, as you know. I may never even find out that you have done that, it doesn't mean you wouldn't have done it. It is not like a stag do - what she doesn't know won't hurt her...

Regardless of the fact that you are wasting your time, whether it has any affect on offred or not (not by the way) is totally irrelevant. Once again, it is rude and arrogant to continue to do something when you have been asked not to. A 3 year old can understand that, why can't you?

A lack of respect for other people in religious practice does have demonstrable effects on people and the world in general. I think that is obvious in everything from the crusades to the current conflict.

Why is it narcissistic to suggest that your demand I do not pray for you is absurd and an attempt at control? Of course it's control. You are telling me what I can and cannot reflect upon in my own head!

Faberge, does what the OT God said guide your actions or the NT God? As others have pointed out, they're cry different. Quite liked the 'anger management' comment

I'm leaving the discussion as I can't make any sense of an argument that says I am a disrespectful narcissist if I choose to pray for someone - privately - who really would rather I didn't - privately

And please don't consider this goady, but I really will be praying for everyone here tonight.

Good night, all.

It is a request.

It has nothing to do with what you think. It is simply a request not to act by praying for/about me.

If the way you practice your faith makes that request difficult to enact that is not my problem. It IMO demonstrates a fundamental problem with the way you practice your faith - that practicing your faith is incompatible with respecting other people.

IMO this is your problem as respect for belief is a right in law and you cannot expect respect or protection for this aspect of the practice of your faith.

"And aren't Christians persistently told on MN that we have no right to be offended? And yet here you are, frothing and offended at the thought of a Christian praying for you because you really would rather they didn't." You can be offended about anything you like. And I am not "frothing and offended" about people of any faith praying for me. I just don't want them to do it.

If you really can't make sense of the idea that disrespecting someone is disrespectful much of life will be tricky to comprehend I imagine...

Offred do you ask people to refrain from framing their thoughts about you in other particular ways, other than praying? And if they don't manage this, they don't respect your wishes?

Do you respect other people's wishes?

If you do, can I ask that you only think well of me? Banish any negative thoughts, concerning me, out of your mind.

And please don't consider this goady, but I really will be praying for everyone here tonight

In the context of my last post I find this slightly hilarious.

I am specifically asking you not to pray for me.

How someone thinks of me is irrelevant.

If you want your religious beliefs to be respected you need to respect other people's beliefs too otherwise you undermine the whole idea of respect for belief.

Offred my prayer is often done in the form of thought. You are asking me to change the way I think about you, regarding my silent prayers since they are thought. The thought and the prayer are one and the same.

But then you said,

How someone thinks of me is irrelevant.

So where exactly does this leave us?

As I have said a number of times if your choice of how you practice your religion is incompatible with respecting other people's beliefs then that is not my problem. I would hope you'd reflect on that.

I don't know where it leaves us. I know where it leaves you. It leaves you doing something I have specifically asked you not to do, but which for your own selfish reasons you insist on continuing to do. Which sums up a particular type of Christian thinking. I am quite prepared by the way to accept that it is characteristic of other faiths too- but I have personally only experienced it from Christians. i assume in countries where other faiths are in a position of privilege they have the same "I'm all right Jack" attitude.

As I have said a number of times if your choice of how you practice your religion is incompatible with respecting other people's beliefs then that is not my problem. I would hope you'd reflect on that.

I thought atheism was an absence of believe in any deity, though. What beliefs are you asking me to respect, Offred?

Lack of belief has the same protection as belief.

And I am asking you not to pray for me.

Bertrand selfish? If I were selfish, you would be the least of my concerns.

Atheism is the lack of belief in a God or gods. Therefore, it is a belief that there is nothing out there. That belief should be respected by godly worshippers

And yes, it is absolutely selfish to deliberately do something you have been asked not to do in this way. Of course it is. Religion does not exempt you from selfish behaviour.

Offred, what am I supposed to respecting, regarding lack of belief? Wishes? Do you respect everyone's wishes, especially when they refer to actions that only demonstrably affect them and not you (as with private, silent prayer).

Evans oh, so lack of belief is a belief, my discussions with other atheists have indicated they think otherwise.

People's right not to have someone else's belief imposed on them...