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Teenage dd and mobile phone

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Teenagecrisisagain · 20/11/2015 19:54

Dd is 14

She is on her phone constantly. We have told her that due to the fact she's always tired and unable to get up for school that from now on sun-thu she has to give us her phone at 930pm and go to bed

She is threatening to run away because of this and threw things at me today.
I don't think 930 pm school nights is too early? What time do similar aged dcs go to bed ?

AIBU about this? I'm just sick and tired of her walking all over us

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Teenagecrisisagain · 20/11/2015 21:32

It wasn't like her at all so very unexpected she ran upstairs afterwards so obviously knew how wrong it was

She hates her school too we just can't win

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swampytiggaa · 20/11/2015 21:34

My boy is just coming up to 14. I have his phone at 9pm Sun-Thurs term time - he gets it back after school. He doesn't take it to school - no real need.

If I have bad behaviour/attitude he loses his phone for 24 hours. In the summer holidays he lost it for five days due to being vile.

The first time is the hardest... Sympathy tho OP - my eldest was a nightmare at 14/15

AnyFucker · 20/11/2015 21:34

Something isn't right

Teenagecrisisagain · 20/11/2015 21:35

She liked her first secondary school but it shut after her first year and she was devastated. A lot of friends moved on to the new school but she says it's not the same they are still the outsiders there (it was a merge)

She wants to go to a different school but there are no available options as no places anywhere !

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Mintyy · 20/11/2015 21:36

My dc hand over their phones and kindles before shower and bed at 9 - 9.30pm. Neither of them really spend much time looking at their phones, tbh!

TheSecondOfHerName · 20/11/2015 21:51

I think this is a very common issue. Receiving notifications and texts overnight is bad for anyone's sleep, let alone a teenager who is already jet-lagged from a school day that starts two hours earlier than their body clock's daytime.

We have four children aged 11-15, some are better than others at self-regulating their phone use.

We can control the WiFi access individually, and they have varying cut-offs between 8 and 9.30pm. We have a rule that the younger two have to leave their phones outside their rooms on the landing overnight. The 15 year old can use 4G after the WiFi stops but we encourage him to turn his phone off by 10.

jellybeans · 20/11/2015 22:39

I feel for you my DD was horrendous at that age. She became very demanding and aggressive and verbally, and occasionally physically abusive. She was sweetness and light at work and school.

The problem turned out to be a mix of her just being a difficult temperament (very determined character) and going out with an emotionally abusive boyfriend for 3 years. She took her anger out on us for everything in her life. She almost drove me to a breakdown.

I certainly wasn't soft and I always took her phone away as a punishment. If she was rude she didnt get a lift that day or her phone. She had to learn you cant treat people like shit then expext something! Did monetary rewards, grounding etc. But none of it seemed to work. As they get towards 17/18 they will just go out anyway.

At 18 things were too much and she had the chance to move in with a friend. Relief all round. Now she is at uni and everyone gets on great. I have 3 other teenagers and none have given me that level of grief. Some just do despite good parenting.

On school nights my under 13 yr olds have to give me their tablet and phones outside their room by 10:30pm. Usually they are asleep by 10. My 16 yr old is left to make own decision but am considering stepping in as she seems to be tired in the am. Could you compromise on say 10? It's a bit later than you would like but more socially acceptable to her?

It's not an easy age at all.

jellybeans · 20/11/2015 22:40

Above should say my 13 year olds not under 13!

BertrandRussell · 20/11/2015 22:42

The violence is outrageous and you need to do something about
that- it's completely unacceptable.

But I do think we have to change the way we think about the way kids use IT. It's how their lives work these days. I had a moment of revalation one day when I realised that I was worrying about my DS playing FIFA online with some friends but if he had been sitting around the table with the same friends playing Monopoly I would have been delighted and felt like a good mother. And I spent hours on the landline to my friends- and my parents didn't like that either. Things have changed- but maybe not as much as we think......

itsthecircleoflife · 20/11/2015 22:46

Its an invasion of her privacy when shes an adult- she needs to live by your rules while your still responsible for her, and anything she does at the moment will still reflect on you from the outside world. If she was 19, it would be a different story. But shes 14.

itsthecircleoflife · 20/11/2015 22:48

What time does she get up OP? She shouldnt need more than 9 hours sleep. I was up at 7 at that age so 10 is a good compromise I think.

ihatevirginmobile · 20/11/2015 22:49

My DD(14) is a total phone addict too - she is mainly watching youtube etc and listening to music ...and we have had the talks about not meeting up with people - she asks me if I think she's stupid...which leads to discussions about judgement etc and grooming and how convincing people can be.
Anyway I take her phone off her when I go up to bed - which is usually quite late but then she can get up in the mornings.
I have a cash box with a combination lock -if necessary the phone gets put in the box - I used to put it under my pillow and then one day woke up to find her crawling around the bottom of the bed trying to snatch it back....
We have had big arguments about it - but I have told her if I think it is causing too much trouble, making life too difficult it will just go for good - no more grief - I have threatened to throw it out of the (upstairs) window - and I guess she knows I am capable of doing that. She has lost it in the past but not recently - the threat of it going in the box is more than enough.
And also I have explained the reason why I am taking it off her - it isn't because I want to be the boss, in charge etc -it is because I care about her - and if I didn't I'd leave her to it.
I tell her it is like coke and crisps.* I could just let her have it all night - it would be much easier for me - but then I wouldn't be doing the best for her... she needs her sleep so she doesn't feel terrible the next day - I don't want her to feel terrible. I am standing arguing with her because I care ..I actually gain nothing from it... except grief!
(*coke and crisps - something we went through years ago - as a parent it is easier to let your child eat and drink what they like (coke and crisps) than trying to get them to eat healthy - they would like you more if you did just let them eat junk. Your life would be a lot easier - no meal time arguments. So why not? You don't because you care about them - you want to do the best you can for them. You are doing it for them - not you - they might not appreciate that but it is. )

We have discussed why I don't trust her to go to sleep at a reasonable time - because even adults can find it hard to be sensible about these things sometimes - it requires self discipline - and her own self discipline is still developing.
She swore she could control it - so I didn't take it off her during the holidays - she was up all night and sleeping all day. She says that's because she knew she didn't need to get up the next day - I said you have to do when it isn't essential so you can prove to me and yourself you can when it is otherwise I have to help you until you learn to control it. (So far she hasn't)
I won't leave things on charge overnight - they are a fire hazard - she got annoyed as she thought I should put her phone on charge overnight - so we had a google about what the fire brigade had to say about it - I wasn't making it up, I wasn't being awkward - and it wasn't just her risk to take - it was everyone in the family who would be effected etc if the house caught on fire...
I think at this age you get a lot further with them by not locking horns - but being reasonable - and making it clear why you have boundaries etc. It isn't for you but for their long term good...it is their life.

ICantSpellNoffink · 20/11/2015 22:56

UNOs have you got access to your DDs 'online access' if she has her restrictions passcode? Confused

I'm assuming that your DD has an iPhone. If that is correct then you do realise that if your DD has control of her phone then she has free access to porn and other more disgusting or damaging websites and images. Restrictions exists so parents can restrict What there DC can access.

You and your DC need to take control.

Also, why on earth would you 'call' her for up to 40 minutes in the morning? That's crazy. Buy her an alarm and leave her to it. If she doesn't get to school let her suffer the consequences.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 20/11/2015 22:56

This is I think the major difference in how kids act with technology today - they're addicted. Trying to get it back from under your pillow? Insanity.

ICantSpellNoffink · 20/11/2015 22:58

TYPO How not UNOS

ICantSpellNoffink · 20/11/2015 23:10

Once you have gained back control of the phone by setting up the restrictions code and NOT letting your DD know what it is then I'm pretty sure there are apps available that will disable the phone completely between certain hours. If you tell me what iOS it is then I'll research it for you.

If there is something you can use you then won't have to argue about the phone every evening.

Enjolrass · 21/11/2015 06:45

She does seem very overprotective of it and keeps telling us that the location thing is an invasion of privacy and we should care that it makes her uncomfortable

Tell her you will card about her privacy when she isn't doing stupid things like going out meeting people and lying about where she is.

You say you know something is going on but not sure if it's a real fiend or an online friend?

I would say you have no idea what's happening on her phone despite you checking up on her.

AnyFucker · 21/11/2015 19:12

How are things today ?

TheDayIBroke · 22/11/2015 21:31

Hi, OP. I'm a lurker, but had to register as I'm further down the road you have started to travel. My DD is 17 and was a beautiful, happy, delightful, dainty child. I couldn't believe my luck that I had such a wonderful girl. She had been bullied in secondary school by her so-called friends, but didn't say much about it to her dad and I, so we were only aware of teenage cattiness, but not much else. She has never spoken to them again after school. When she went to college, she was given an android phone as she would need it for college work etc. This was a big mistake.

At first she would use it all day and all night, so my DH did something with the parental control we have so it shut the phone down at 11pm. Dodgy sites and inappropriate material were blocked as she had been accessing websites which I never thought existed. Then there was snapchat, kik, fling and all the other secret messaging sites that had to be blocked (there's loads out there!). As soon as one was blocked, she'd find another. She also had facebook, which we would monitor now and again. I insisted that I had her log in password so I could fully see what was going on. Yes, it's a fine line between respecting her privacy and monitoring, and I was uncomfortable at reading her stuff so only did it occasionally.

Through her new 'friends' at college, she found out how to use facebook to get around the parental monitor we have installed AND the parental block we have on the home hub. She became withdrawn, aggressive, rude, refusing to do what was asked of her, slovenly, lying, stealing from us and extremely disrespectful to both her dad and me. She self-harms if she believes we are being horrible to her (as in a simple asking her to put her clothes in the washbox) This is such a tremendous shock as she was such a sweet, loving child.

We took away facebook and she attempted suicide. She has turned to hating us for trying to "control" her and make her unhappy (by limiting her time on the internet and taking away her facebook friends - people she has never met in RL). We then found facebook messenger. I have read hundreds of messages no parent should ever have to read - groomed for sex, drugs and everything else. She has been encouraged to kill herself numerous times, to stop eating, watch sick videos posted by groups she's been added to and listen to suicide-inducing music. She has been encouraged to post naked pictures of herself. She isn't bothered by any of the above, it's like she has been brainwashed. She shrugs when I speak of all this. I'm afraid of her as she doesn't have any kind feelings for us - only when she wants something from us. She will be very nice and I think that maybe we are over the worst of this and getting through to her, but no. It's like a cat playing with a mouse.

She is getting counselling, but to be honest, it isn't helping. They will not diagnose her with anything as they do not wish to label her as it might affect her in later life. How can they treat her if they won't say what is wrong? At the rate she is going, there won't be a "later life". The counsellors have said that she mustn't have any internet access but fail to understand that she needs access for college work and she can access it at college. The police have a backlog of this kind of thing to investigate, the counsellors don't seem to fully appreciate how bad this is, how frightened we are for her and of her, even when there was a massive crisis. I've begged all of them, in floods of tears until I couldn't cry any more, to help her and help us. They see her as someone who is just having a normal teenage tantrum and us as parents who don't understand modern-day teens and we can't handle a rather lengthy tantrum. They wouldn't read any of her messages on fb outlining how she was going to kill herself as it was "private". They.would.not.listen. And so she tried again.

You may well judge me - I would have done if I was reading this three years ago. My DD was seldom out of the house except to go to college as her "friends" don't live in our town. A good portion of the damage has come through the internet and onto that little phone. She cannot, or doesn't wish to, self regulate her internet use. Even with all the parental controls in place, she still managed all the above.

So, tonight, as my username suggests I have broken. She will be leaving our house tomorrow which is what she wants, as we are the people who are making her so miserable she self harms. I'm utterly broken, as we cannot reach her, cannot reason with her and cannot save her from herself. She doesn't believe that we love her, despite us doing everything we possibly can to make her happy. Only those people on the internet love her and care about her, not us her parents. I'm exhausted from sleeping with one eye and ear open and going into her room to make sure she is still breathing.

So, my advice to you is get that phone off her. Get it off her NOW. The above will show you what can and does happen. Please, please don't suffer the heartache that this family is going through now. All because of what comes through that phone she can't put down.

Fairenuff · 22/11/2015 22:13

When she asks for your card to buy online, do you give it to her?

usualmum · 22/11/2015 22:13

thedayibroke that is heartbreaking to read. You have done everything you can and sometimes there are no answers. Please allow yourself some space.

A very good friend of mine had a virtually identical situation as yours.. it has had the worst end for both him and his dd.

My dc are pre phone and I do not envisage an easy ride based on console use.

Removing phone is the least I would do in this case OP and I would advise speaking to CEOP and the school. Good luck.

TheDayIBroke · 22/11/2015 23:48

usualmum thank you for your kind words. My DD feels that I have not loved her, yet I love her desperately. I'm not sure what else I can do to prove I love her, so that she really sees and understands that. Tonight, I see she has deleted our phone numbers from her contacts. She wants nothing more to do with us when she leaves tomorrow. I can't understand it at all. Nothing moves her, not our tears nor reasoning.

How can she think think I wouldn't react when I read that her online boyfriend (they've never met) wants to carve things into her chest? How can I protect her whilst she's fighting tooth and nail to be with people like this?

I never thought I could feel such pain.

PiperChapstick · 23/11/2015 00:15

OP you are doing the right thing Flowers

Teenagecrisisagain · 23/11/2015 06:09

thedayibroke that sounds awful :( I'm so sorry you have gone through all that. What an eye opener and thank you for posting I know that must have been so hard.
I think what you have described is my ultimate fear with my dd as the Internet/her phone seems to be her life and it's scary

She has stopped being so confrontational in the last 24 hrs and willingly gave her phone in at 930pm
We are currently having building work and decorating done so had no choice but to temporarily move her into ds (9) room and I thought she would kick off about it but they were chatting and laughing before I took the phone which she wasn't on. Made me realise perhaps she's lonely ? She had also gone to a friends house yest which hadn't happened in ages. She had asked to go shopping/out for lunch but after last time lying where she was we said she wasn't 'grounded ' as such but could only go to friends house for x amount of time and had to gradually earn back our trust. Do dropped her and collected her and she left her location on and also her friends parents kept an eye and dad did not complain

I'm a way I think oddly she feels more secure with some concrete rules. I've had to make a big effort to deal with this myself now rather than dh although I know there may be a battle getting up and ready for school this morning

I feel as well I'm having to keep a very very close eye on her and I will continue to do so as especially after reading the heartbreaking post from thedayibroke I can see how things can escalate

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Fairenuff · 23/11/2015 08:16

I think oddly she feels more secure with some concrete rules.

That's not odd, that's normal. For everyone. As parents, we set the boundaries and we have to hold them firm. It makes children happy. Even teenagers.

A teenager's life is very much like a rollercoaster, with the mood swings that you have just witnessed yourself. Life is can be very high and it can be very low too.

What's the first thing you do when you get on a rollercoaster? You push the bar right? To make sure that it is secure, that it holds firm, that it is going to keep you safe. Then you can ride, experience the thrill, the adrenaline rush and come back to where you started safe and sound.

If that bar was loose, or gave way, you would not feel safe and you would not ride the rollercoaster. That's what rules are like to teenagers.

When she pushes your boundaries, she is testing that bar. She wants to know that your rules are solid, comforting, reliable. That they won't wobble or give way.

So stand firm, take the rough with the smooth and, above all, keep talking to her. The time to address her violence towards you is when she is calm. There should be a consequence for that. Also, she should be doing jobs around the house to earn her £50 a month and also to learn how to care for herself and others.