Organ donation should be opt out.

[m1nniedriver]

Just that really. If people have strong feelings on the matter then they are free to opt out, I really fail to see the issue with it.

This guy 'believes' it won't make a difference, that's different to your statement Seems pointless while relatives can still over ride it but time will tell. Fingers crossed it will make a difference and lives will be saved, surely that us the most important thing here.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Saving lives is not what the original question was. It is about whether we should have an opt-out system. I think patient autonomy is important. The state making decisions on behalf of a patient is inherently wrong. The argument that has come about is whether opt-out will save lives. I do not believe that it will.

I personally think patient autonomy is more important than saving lives.

But that is a hypothetical statement, as we do not know whether opt-out will save lives. It will be very interesting to see what happens in Wales.

*Opt out makes no difference.

Saving lives is not what the original question was*

Yes that is exactly what the question was about. Organ donation = saving lives. opt out will hopefully increase organ donation therefore save lives. You can't seoerate the 2. One is the consequences of the other

But opt out may not save lives. It may even have the reverse effect. Either way, people's autonomy should not be overridden. Like I said, it will be interesting to see what happens in Wales. Even if it does increase the number of available organs, they will go to those in most clinical need. Which is unlikely to be those in Wales.

The Welsh are part of a research experiment.

may not save lives

surely worth a shot. Thankfully enough people think it is

But enough think it isn't to prevent it being forced through elsewhere. I would be very surprised if any healthcare staff actually enforced the new law in Wales.

its all just guess work at the moment, will just have to see how it pans out.

When you say healthcare staff won't inforce it, what exactly do you mean? enforce it against whom?

Enforced against relatives who say no. And if they don't enforce it, what is the point of the new law?

not able to link atm as on phone, but 86000 people have already opted out. That's a pretty strong statement so early on IMO.

How many people on the register?

86,000 is about 8% of the population, apparently.

As ive said throughout the thread it is pointkess while relatives can overrule the patients wishes

8% of the population opting out in the first day is a massive amount and should not be downplayed.

Time will tell, I'd susoect there will be a lot more staying on the register than opting out.

After I'm dead, I'm in no position to claim ownership of anything.

I 100% agree donation should be opt out.

I should say I have no issue with people opting out, that's their right to do it for whatever reason they like.

Seriously!? This is completely unlawful in my view, my organs are not the property of the government... This will be the case if opt out is approved.
I can see organ donation can be important, but why are you deciding for me... persuade me don't force me!!

How the hell did you find this ancient thread @RukshanaR

Lol!
I was searching to see of they had changed the policy to opt out for organ donars and this came up.... I see this has been an issue for a long time

Why do we have a zombie thread again? Ffs it's 3 years old!! Agghhh

YANBU. I’ve tried to understand the reasons that people have for not wanting to donate their organs but I can’t help feeling they are just intrinsically selfish.

I think it should be opt out, and anyone who does opt out shouldn’t be allowed to receive an organ should they need it.

Shit. ZOMBIE!!

Now that truly is selfish!

I'm far from selfish, but it's wrong to not allow people to have a say in what happens to their own bodies.

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