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Close Our Borders - Share if you agree

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Katiekatiekatie · 17/11/2015 09:48

It's giving me the rage to see this on fb and Twitter I totally disagree, wtf have I got friends who think this is ok? Grrrr

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AuntieStella · 17/11/2015 10:22

In the French context, I 'closing' borders means suspending Schengen freedom of movement (perhaps they want to keep an eye on who is travelling between there and Belgium).

The UK has only one open border, and that is with ROI (also non-Schengen).

Widespread misunderstanding being displayed.

Lulabellarama · 17/11/2015 10:22

Well, lets look at our worst terrorist attack to date, 7/7. All British.
People's knee-jerk reactions are terrifying.

Anastasie · 17/11/2015 10:23

I don't think it would help. The Islamists want us to fight each other, for Muslims and Christians and the secular to turn on one another. If we demonise everyone from those countries, it will encourage people to turn to Jihadism and so on. We have to be inclusive.

I keep thinking that we should not be striking these countries by air, should not be doing anything and then perhaps we won't be considered the 'enemy' any more, but I understand it is more complicated than that.

BeyondThirty · 17/11/2015 10:23

Even if shengen is stopped though, they are land borders! Yes people will be checked driving down the roads, but that is it. There is no wall, no fence, no moat. And even if there were, its not as if that stops mexicans getting into the usa!!

Baconyum · 17/11/2015 10:24

Correct me if I'm wrong but the 'refugee' passport turned out to be a victims not a perpetrators.

So far no evidence that any of the terrorists were disguised as refugees.

Several came from a known radicalised part of Belgium.

I also very much agree with not giving these bastards what they want! By alienating ordinary Moslems, or refugees or immigrants of any background! Same goes for all knee jerk reactions it's exactly what they want as it 'proves' how awful 'the west' is! Likewise restricting civil liberties

BeyondThirty · 17/11/2015 10:24

Gruntled, i will also sign it if you start it!!

Fintan · 17/11/2015 10:26

Not worth getting angry about, the people who are posting it on my FB don't even understand what 'closing our borders' actually means. They're idiots.

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Katiekatiekatie · 17/11/2015 10:27

I'll share that one Gruntled!

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UnlikelyPilgramage · 17/11/2015 10:27

I think a lot of people have wanted the borders closed for a long time, and as such, are using Paris to add pressure to this argument.

jemimapd · 17/11/2015 10:31

my feed is full of some disgusting stuff, totally disagree. is just ignorance

Janeymoo50 · 17/11/2015 10:32

People get scared, especially when they read stuff like one of the Paris terrorists was a Syrian refugee (I think). It's a knee jerk reaction, I ignore them if I see them, sometimes people do stupid things without thinking (not that it makes it right of course).

BeyondThirty · 17/11/2015 10:32

The only person i've seen share it is my friends husband. Second gen british. Idiot.

ReallyTired · 17/11/2015 10:35

Maybe the answer is to spend less time on facebook. If I defriended everyone who posted a stupid/ non PC comment then I would have no friends on facebook. Infact I would probably have to defriend myself. I think a lot depends on the frequency of facist/ racist clap trap. Sometimes its more entertaining to attempt to reason with them.

Can you tell I need to get a life!

LarrytheCucumber · 17/11/2015 10:39

No-one has posted anything like that on my FB.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 17/11/2015 10:41

No I do no think we need to close out borders

But security has to be tightened not ever refugee that is crossing into Europe will coming with the intention of finding safety there are weapons and those that intend to use then coming over and we are unable to spot a genuine refugee from someone who is not

No one a few months ago could have predicted the influx of refugees it is not impacting us here we have to support other countries and take in more refugees but we need to tighten security

Ilikedmyoldusernamebetter · 17/11/2015 10:43

UK boarders are pretty closed already, they've never really been open. It could often took ages to get through passport control into the UK from other EU countries even before the Paris attacks...

Elendon · 17/11/2015 10:43

Brilliant Gruntled.

Ilikedmyoldusernamebetter · 17/11/2015 10:44

It often took/ it could often take... argh

Elendon · 17/11/2015 10:50

Well the last time I came through passport control when it was long, long, long, queues, the hold up on the line I and my friend was on, was a Muslim family (the mum and other women were wearing head scarfs). I was incensed that they were taking their time comparing the faces of the women to their passport photos. I was angry not so much at the waiting, that I understand, but the person doing this was making so much of a meal out of it. It was obvious bias.

My passport photo is a bit different to my current likeness (I had died my hair light brown then). I was let through without so much of a second glance. I felt for that family and told them I thought it was a disgrace.

BeyondThirty · 17/11/2015 10:55

Elen, me and my sister have gotten through ppc with each others passports!

BeyondThirty · 17/11/2015 10:56

(Sorry, to clarify, we are white - i'm not disputing your post!!!)

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 17/11/2015 11:00

I've only seen one person post anything like this - someone I went to school with, so not a close friend. I removed her from my friend list, it was no great loss.

Someone upthread mention her friends all being liberal lefties. The odd thing is, my FB friends cover the political spectrum, everything from true blue, MacMillan loving Tories, to a couple of communists to the politically disinterested. None of them have posted shit like this. Most have said the opposite. I don't think it's a left vs right issue. Some people just don't think things through properly, or just aren't particularly pleasant.

OnTheEdgeToday · 17/11/2015 11:03

I think a lot of the time people read these things and can see a shimmer of something they partially or fully agree with, sometimes even along the lines of not really knowing how they should be reacting so just follow the crowd.
I dont think you should unfriend them, if they are your friends. They are entitled to their own views and opinions - they are not alone in their thoughts as it has also been seen on my facebook, and no doubt many others. A lot of them are probably sheep.

I think if is important to be understanding of the fear factor and how people can act irrationaly and without much thought. No longer being friends with someone because their views and opinions differ from yours is extreme imo. Unless of course they were very strong and forceful of them...

OnTheEdgeToday · 17/11/2015 11:05

Thankfully with the likes of facebook you do have the option of just scrolling past it. Even hiding posts if you really dont want to see them.

Elendon · 17/11/2015 11:06

No worries Beyond! I'm white too as was my friend. And she had a passport photo with dyed blonde hair and was then her natural light brown.

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