Oh my god cannot believe what has happened in Paris

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203

What do we do now?

And it's not a case of rights "coming before" other rights. My right to privacy doesn't impact your right to life. We should guard both rights.

Tbh I am terrified of an attack here, I imagine we will be targeted next. If being protected means people can go through my e mails so be it

But it DOESNT protect you. How could it?

Donthave I have no idea I am just scared I've always known of terrible things happening in the middle east etc but it's so far away I've felt removed from it but these attacks are at my doorstep

The proposed bill would enabke the security services to bypass encryption Guardian :
"Britain’s security services have acknowledged they have the worldwide capability to bypass the growing use of encryption by internet companies by attacking the computers themselves."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

I don't see the point of being terrified when the chances of an attack aren't statistically great. I'd want to be a lot more convinced of the necessity for it before I'd be happy with surveillance of my emails and phone calls.

tired, I missed a train on the 15th March 1976, by seconds, it was pulling out of East Ham tube station as I got to the platform. It was an IRA bomb. We've always lived with this, and the government removing rights has never made the slightest bit of difference. Paris is not on your doorstep.
It is scary, but it is also unlikely, at least for the moment.

Guess your right dawn

Makes you wonder though doesn't it? Terrorists always seem to carry their passports.

"Wipe Isis out" is unlikely itsmine considering we're fully engaged in regime change in Syria, which will only make matters worse.

No bill can "enable" them to bypass encryption. It's like saying a law enables them to defy gravity. Properly implemented end to end encryption cannot be bypassed by anyone even security services. And while you can ban UK based companies from delivering such a service you can do nothing to stop people using open source solutions. I use PGP for my emails - there's no central pgp "company" they can get backdoor access from, you'd need my private key. Which is kept on a computer that is not connected to the net, so no real opportunity to "hack"

We obviously dont know their exact capabilities but with a reasonable degree of certainty we can say that things like AES are secure for at least the next few decades.

Close the borders.

Suspend human rights legislation.

Turn the Islamic State into glass.

That'll do for the first day.

This phone once again outdoes itself by posting before I want it to, it has a mind of its own (If we ever have sentient computers encryption won't work but until then...)

Say I encrypt a file using my pgp key offline, then send it across the net - it doesn't matter how much cooperation and backdoors they have into whatever ISP's because all they'd see is encrypted data that requires my private key (something they don't have access to) to decrypt.

Yes but back in the real world *Shestoops??

batshitlady

The only thing lacking is political will. After all, if a bunch of medieval barbarians can strike us in the heart of our civilization, we should be able to wipe them out quickly if only politicians grew some balls.

There is a lot that surveillance can do, but there is no single kind of security measure, vetting, physical barriers or online, that will stop every attack.
Doesn't mean we tell the security forces to abandon all efforts to protect us. They have to use all methods allowed by Parliament.

Not all terrorists will use encryption properly all the time. Some of them are thick, not all are computer-savvy.
Many will use social media in their everyday life, which helps track their friends, places, habits and hence helps build up a picture once they become suspects.

btw, Monitoring laws are also used extensively to break hardcore child porn networks.

If the security services want to monitor a specific person - maybe first alerted by not being able to read their EMs - they'd probably install trojan horse or keystroke logging software/hardware on the suspect's computer to capture encrypted keys and passwords.
It would help if they are able to infiltrate / turn one member of the terrorist cell

Also, in the UK, it is a criminal offence under RIPA not to provide encryption keys to police when arrested and required to do so. IIRC, someone suspected of serious child porn offences was jailed a few years ago for refusing to do this.

Yes and deniable encryption solves that diploma by allowing you to decrypt "secret but not the real secret" files when a password is given, with no way to tell whether there is another password.

And the security services aren't able to just install what they like on someones pc, if it's properly hardened and they aren't using backdoored OS like Windows or Mac. Although some (not sure how many) are.

Diploma - dillema

batshit they want to be identified, they want to be martyrs

The posts about wiping out ISIS are unintentionally hilarious.

Because that strategy worked out so well last time, after 2001.

I am terrified of an attack here, I imagine we will be targeted next

We are being targeted!! We are being targeted all the time.Security services foil major terror plots several times a year.

At the end of WWII people said the channel was worth a pound a pint, and it still is.It is much harder to bring large artillary into the country than it is to move it about on the continent

They say they foil them, we don't have independent verification of that. My concern is they may exaggerate the threat because it suits them to have more power.