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Oh my god cannot believe what has happened in Paris

103 replies

Translator1000 · 14/11/2015 09:07

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203

What do we do now?

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howtorebuild · 14/11/2015 10:26

Latest is it was a new fire.

JamNan · 14/11/2015 10:49

Latest is it was a new fire
...caused by an electrical fault. It took hold quickly because there were gas cylinders in the vicinity.

What do we do now?
We carry on as we always have done.

yellowbird11 · 14/11/2015 11:12

Surely it's time now for the west and Russia to pull together over Isis.

itsmine · 14/11/2015 11:16

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lifetimeoflaughter · 14/11/2015 11:19

You really had to link? The day after ..... as if anyone doesn't know what happened? Confused

ghostyslovesheep · 14/11/2015 11:21

The fire was a fire - people at the camp have said it wasn't retaliation

What do we do - we keep going - we don't give in to hate - we keep offering help to people in need - we don't let hate win

these attacks are designed to whip up anti Islamic hate - to feed IS's narrative of 'them and us' and the West being at war with Islam - don't give them what they want

Crazypetlady · 14/11/2015 11:21

Terror attacks are always awful to hear but the attacks in paris have affected me on a deeper level. I just can't get my head around it.

Those poor people.

Chippednailvarnish · 14/11/2015 11:23

UK of course will be next
Unless you are personally planning a terrorist attack, you are doing nothing but scaremongering by saying this.

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Dawndonnaagain · 14/11/2015 11:38

It is not obvious that the uk will be next, even the news is stating that it's unlikely.

Chippednailvarnish · 14/11/2015 11:45

It's not offensive and juvenile to challenge you making a statement of fact, which is nothing more than a hysterical guess.

And I made no mention of being for or against any involvement in the middle East.

itsmine · 14/11/2015 11:55

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Chippednailvarnish · 14/11/2015 11:59

In other words you can't find any back up for your "UK of course will be next" statement...

Dawndonnaagain · 14/11/2015 12:19

Cobra have decided not to increase the security rating. On imagines that they feel it's not imminent.

OfaFrenchmind2 · 14/11/2015 13:44

They found a Syrian passport on one of the terrorist's body...
Make what you want of that, but open door policies are out for now in France, as it should be.

Chippednailvarnish · 14/11/2015 14:01

Taken from The Independent;
"A Syrian passport has been found on the body of one of the suicide bombers at the Stade de France, French police have told Reuters.
Information emerging from the scene indicates one of the attackers at the stadium may have been French. Witnesses described one attacker as “white”, “European type” according to BFMtv.
It has not been established whether the passport is genuine, with many analysts pointing out false Syrian passports can be easily obtained within the war-torn Middle Eastern nation."

OfaFrenchmind2 · 14/11/2015 14:06

Ohhh, indeed fake Syrian passports can be obtained. That's actually how fake refugees and pig terrorists can try to get in Europe with the flow of refugees and other migrants.

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DontHaveAUsername · 14/11/2015 14:28

"Put our trust in the security services and the government that they are doing everything in their power to keep us safe I suppose."

Absolutely not, they will be keen to exploit this tragedy to try gaining support for more surveillance powers. I wonder how long it will take them to start demanding more.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/11/2015 14:50

The current UK terrorist threat level remains at the 2nd highest.
It would only increase to the highest level if COBRA (Cabinet Office Briefing Room A) decide on the advice of the security services that an attack in the UK is imminent.

It's natural to be worried when our close neighbours have suffered a terrible massacre, plus many previous terror attacks.
Unkind to call someone hysterical for expressing this fear.
However, we can only go about our normal life until advised otherwise.

The Met have listed some of the extra security measures they are taking for London, always the prestige target in the UK; there'll be other measures elsewhere.
So, the security services may well ask for more powers, but although some posters here won't like it, the vast majority of voters are far more worried by terrorists than by having their Emails read.

Did I understand you, username that you think our security services would happily allow hundreds of their fellow Uk citizens to be murdered, in order to gain extra powers ?

I think they'll try their best to stop attacks, which has mostly worked since 7/7, but - like the IRA once said - the terrorists only have to beat them once to get an attack through. And the public will scream incompetence.

howtorebuild · 14/11/2015 14:52

The problem is when they back into emails, they can breaks into everyone's information, that break is then open to hackers.

DontHaveAUsername · 14/11/2015 15:00

"Did I understand you, username that you think our security services would happily allow hundreds of their fellow Uk citizens to be murdered, in order to gain extra powers ?"

No. I think that after this attack, they will be very keen to exploit it for their own aims, by pushing the right emotional buttons and claiming that if they had more powers, they could have prevented it. And unfortunately a lot of people will believe them.

"So, the security services may well ask for more powers, but although some posters here won't like it, the vast majority of voters are far more worried by terrorists than by having their Emails read."

My answer to that is that people who don't mind their emails being read can continue allowing them to be read, those who don't want their emails read can continue using encryption to stifle the security services from reading them. It is about personal choice, we all feel differently about privacy v security.

France greatly expanded their surveillance powers after Charlie Hebdo but it has had no effect on the consistent number of French people who leave for Syria every month. This attack is an argument against more surveillance powers more than anything.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/11/2015 15:05

My understanding is that no hacking would be involved, just that all EMs would be stored for a longer time - they are stored for a period anyway.

It is always a balance of rights / risks, but I doubt if the security services want to be swamped by billions of EMs unless some would be useful to them.
We need improved compensation anyway for losses from existing identity fraud and online theft.

The main reason for the increased period of detention now for terrorists is to provide more time to break encrypted data in computers seized.
Most young people have a lot of their life online, so some hints of their travel patterns, purchases, friends can be gleaned by trawling through their data.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/11/2015 15:08

I value my privacy, but not above the right to life of my neighbour. We live in an interconnecting society.
I can't have the freedom to drive at 120 mph and say my neighbour can choose to be bound by 60 or 70 mph, but I won't.

DontHaveAUsername · 14/11/2015 15:22

That is NOT the reason because with modern encryption not even security services can "cracking" it within any reasonable length of time. We are talking thousands of years at best.