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To think there is some weird school gate culture I am just learning about?

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Sweetpotatocurry · 11/11/2015 16:50

I have a ds in nursery, and we just moved to Scotland in the summer. Ever since he started nursery I have noticed some kind of weirdness with some mums. I always do my best to be friendly and say hello, smile etc, even if my baby is screaming at drop-off etc, I am pretty friendly by nature anyhow, but am also conscious I might be seeing these ladies for many years to come, so of course I make an effort. A couple of mums are friendly and quite 'normal' but others blow really hot and cold...one day they are all chat, the next they don't even say hello. Some are very cliquey and ignore me if I say hi, and I know they see me, and very few will bother introducing me to others. I know everyone is busy and might be under pressure, but I asked an old friend and she said that this is typical of the nursery/school gate mums. My ds has been behaving well as far as I know, so don't think it is that. I haven't had the chance to offend anyone! I lived in London before this and most mums at nursery were fairly consistent (friendly or otherwise!) So is my friend right?

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EnaSharplesHairnet · 11/11/2015 22:14

I grew up in a chatty community and I find it a bit sad when people make no effort at the bus stop, let alone the school where we are likely to meet for years!

However I realise everyone does not agree and so I try to avoid annoying people.

I definitely think a school can have a culture, the tense school gate belonged to a tense school. Something was all a little "off" and I'd just moved my child from a very well run, welcoming school and there was a marked difference: inside and out.

OnTheEdgeToday · 11/11/2015 22:14

I say hello and do speak to people from time to time. Mostly when im stood next to one of them, or they have stood close to me. Id personally prefer to just stand there silently as i feel too uncomfortable.

I have found there are some people i have known just to literally say hello to in passing. Then i find it sometimes just stops and there is no more hello to each other. Im not quite sure who, how or why it stops. Sometimes it picks back up again which is even more strange.

I probably come across as hot and cold. Possibly even an ignorant bitch at times. I have bad anxiety, and social situations knock me for six. I might be directly looking at someone, but i am far, far away in my mind with racing thoughts.
Thankfully...i dont associate with the mums any further than school so i dont really care. Those who do know me properly, know that im not blanking...im struggling.

LockTheTaskBar · 11/11/2015 22:24

Ok, I think there is (can be) a weird school gate thing.

If you work in a big organisation, or otherwise have good and inclusive social skills, you just expect a group that is thrown together (by reason of something random like having children in the same class) to be on workable, however superficial, nodding / chatting terms. (In all honestly I personally would prefer to be able to time our arrival precisely enough that this isn't necessary, or at least choose to avoid it sometimes, but somehow I can't manage the timing right and we are often early and dcs like that because they play with their friends.)

If you have slightly less well developed social skills that are based around searching for friends and people who have certain things in common with you - and, crucially - not caring how obviously you ignore the others - then you will not necessarily be expecting to nod and chat to just anyone. You'll have a "saving seats" mentality (there are not literally seats of course, but when adults in groups like choirs or work places have special chums that they have to sit next to it makes me roll my eyes, especially when the person actually tells someone else they may not sit there.) (I have never been in a work place where that would be acceptable - all piling into a big meeting and someone saying when you go to sit down "oh sorry, no, that's where Jane is going to sit when she gets here" - but I have seen teachers do this - Jesus, is there something about SCHOOLS in particular?)

I honestly think that it's just poor social skills. We all have people we prefer, and we can have coffee with them or go to the pub with them, but some people are crap at making the others feel halfway comfortable in situations where we all have no choice but to be there, and that's just being a bit rubbish really. Not death penalty rubbish; not as strong as bitchy, or mean; just... not being great at managing social dynamics, or not caring.

In some communities there are such strong positive personalities that work towards inclusion that this doesn't happen. there are some people that are so charismatic and so sincerely inclusive that they make everyone else aware of how it's a bit shit to be otherwise. They sort of glamorise inclusion.

these people are special and not every community has one. (I wish I was one but I am not! I am merely a functional small-talker rather than a charismatic social force of cohesion)

Now on threads like this you often get a lot of defensive posts saying that the phenomenon doesn't exist. It just does, not necessarily everywhere, but it just does. I find the defensiveness interesting. What does it mean?

To be clear:

it doesn't bother me that some women are friends with each other and not me.
I do not particularly expect to make friends at my dcs' school (not that I am prejudiced against that idea either, but you know, it's not what I deeply hope for);
It is probably the case that there a lot of parents that I don't have that much in common with, probably, because we're all different, so, yeah that's a thing;
I don't worry about it because I don't know the women well enough to worry that I have offended them or done something wrong, so that's not something that preys on my mind;
The social discomfort is not a huge worry in my life, something that makes me sad or that feels like a huge slight or that keeps me awake at night.

BUT.

It is there. It is uncomfortable to go, a few days a week, without a "cover task" that can make you look busy, to a place where you are going to stand about in the presence of people who all know each other by sight and many by name, and some of them are going to pretty much blank you. It's not the worst thing in the world. but why the fuck won't people just grow the hell up and say hello?

Because they have poor social skills, and are a bit childish. They don't have the work experience or the social experience or the general emotional intelligence and nous to just behave a bit better.

Kerberos · 11/11/2015 22:34

Saw this on FB and thought of you. Honestly you are over thinking it. People have busy lives.

To think there is some weird school gate culture I am just learning about?
EnaSharplesHairnet · 11/11/2015 22:44

Lock that was an epic post but I see what you see.

Kerberos - Yeah! Thinking is totes overrated! Grin

BreakfastLunchPasta · 11/11/2015 22:54

I might be one of the people that appear to blow hit and cold (not literally one of the ones in the op - I'm not in Scotland!), just because some days I have time and energy to stop and smile and chat but some days I'm in a rush/stressed/distracted etcetera.

LockTheTaskBar · 11/11/2015 22:55

yeah sorry it was epic.
I think it is a big pile up of thoughts that has accumulated ever since I first saw a "wtf is with these school parents?" thread

LockTheTaskBar · 11/11/2015 22:57

I don't mean people have to stop and chat, by the way! Of course people can't / don't want to do that. it's the ones standing in clusters with closed, shoulder-hugging defensive body language, glancing out of the cluster with darting glances but not actually meeting your eye and giving you a smile. They don't have to come over and kiss you on both cheeks and ask after your parents and your grandparents and your goldfish.

MascaraAndConverse89 · 11/11/2015 23:01

A lot of the mums at DS1's school are lovely. DS1 is in Reception now, but when started Nursery at that school I just kept myself to myself and didn't really engage with anyone, and tbh I was of the mindset that I couldn't be bothered with "mummy friends". I was pregnant at the time and grumpy!
After I had my baby, I think I must have been more approachable and friendly, because all of a sudden I started talking to people and cracking a smile. I've got to know some really lovely people as a result.
No way am I in a clique though!

weeonion · 11/11/2015 23:09

I have never really noticed this tbh but dd1 went to a small nursery and goes to a small primary where it is easy to get to know who all the kids names are so easy to have an opening / something to chat about. Maybe I am oblivious as I jus chat to whomever I end up standing close to about an event or something happening in the school and have never been blanked.

Given its such a small school - alot of the families are at sales/ fayres / shows etc so it has been ok getting to know them. I am closer friends with some folks but feel I can have a natter with anyone. Maybe I am.just oblivious to the blanking and evil eyeing going on?

EnaSharplesHairnet · 11/11/2015 23:12

I meant epic like War and Peace. Smile

Tis all good!

NormHonal · 11/11/2015 23:25

I'm aware that I blow hot and cold in the playground.

The reality is that it's my DC2 in Reception. So I have brand new parents to meet and chat with, and play dates to arrange. Some days if I've slept well and work's going ok, I have the energy to do that [introvert emoticon].

On days when DC3 has kept me awake half the night or work has drained me of energy, it might appear cliquey, but I will seek out my longer-standing friends from DC1's class, who won't mind me having a moan or I know well enough to not have to be fake-smiley with. There is a whole history with those mums of drunken nights out, deep-and-meaningfuls, etc that half a term of chit-chat can't replace straight away.

And it's definitely not blanking in my case, just tiredness!

IndiaRaine · 11/11/2015 23:43

Argh! Where in Scotland?!

This drives me potty. It's not one big town! See this in soaps all the time. They can say someone moved to Newcastle, Birmingham, or Scotland....

But yeah, life's too short to care what the mummy Mafia thinks of you. Women in groups can be bloody awful sometimes (as can men, disclaimer, yadda yadda). You need to just rise above it.

AbitSceptical · 11/11/2015 23:54

Well put, LockTheTaskBar.

Long, but I think you've got the core of it.

OnTheEdgeToday · 12/11/2015 00:08

Its all been made really complicated when its really simple. We go to pick our kids up or drop them off. We dont go for a social gathering or a general chit chat.
I think we all probably, at times, think too much into it.
We are forced around people that we probably usually wouldnt interact with, daily. Feeling as though we need to interact.
Its the same feeling i get if i fancy sitting in my garden, and my neighbours are out. I feel it may appear rude if i dont speak to them, other than a hello, when i just want to sit there. It just becomes awkward when thinking about it.

The ones who do want to chit chatter, at my kids school they get to the school gates 45 minutes before they open

FireCrotch · 12/11/2015 01:25

I hate the school gate thing. I now try to time it so that I'm walking in the gate just as the bell goes. With ds I made an effort to get to know some of the other parents but it was very cliquey. Eyes would literally glaze over if I spoke. One woman practically passed right through me. Out of the group of 12 or so mums waiting all but 3 had daughters and friendships grew through sleepovers, birthday parties and days out. As I had a son we were never part of these events. It used to bother me. Yes fine. My stinky son wouldn't enjoy your daughters pinky sparkly girly do but I liked a drink. They all descended on the club I work in for a night out once and I felt well jealous. I used to socialise quite a bit with one of them as we're neighbours and would do the odd bit of childcare for each other but that soon tailed off when she tried to entice me into a bitching session about someone I have no beef with. She once dropped me like a melting turd mid convo when she spotted a fellow MOP* across the road. I swear. Bullets have left guns slower.
One day in he reception/nursery playground I spotted a mum I'd not seen before. She was stood with them. Well, the periphery. She made a witty comment about something they were discussing but they blanked her and made Hmm faces to each other. I swear I'd never seen that before. When people say it's happened to them I tended to think that they were over exaggerating a tad for the drama... But no, I actually witnessed it. She just stood there for a second and said "Well, that's that then!", sigh dramatically, step back 3-4 paces and closely inspect her nails. That's when I knew I'd just caught a glimpse of my future best friend. We got talking that day. When her dd ran out the door to her and they realised they'd been phenomenally rude to someone whose daughter they had invited to birthday parties and what not (she was a teacher whose childminder did all the pick ups and drop offs and they'd not laid eyes on her til that moment) the Blush faces were a sight to behold. It's seven years later, our kids are in high school together and we still talk about that day. Ok op I waffled there. You just read a lot of guff you don't care about but be strong. Start not giving a fuck. It's pretend at first. Putting on a brave face and icy cold smile but then one day you actually really don't give a genuine fuck. You couldn't pay me to spend time with those women now. They also fall out a lot and do that passive aggressive shite on Facebook. Losers.

FireCrotch · 12/11/2015 01:28

Oh yeah I forgot.

*MOP. Mummy of a princess. Not kidding. There's a private invite only FB group dedicated to them.

Anastasie · 12/11/2015 06:49

Lock, if I could 'like' your post I'd actually 'love' it Smile

It's brilliant. And you are right about the 'super inclusive' person who makes it all look so easy, the person everyone wants to be.

I've only known a few of them and the last one was at our old school - she wasn't there till a couple of years before we left and it was already friendly, but she really shone out.

Blush

Haven't seen one yet at this school. But I agree the staring/gossipy types are just kind of scared of anyone a bit different to what they are used to, perhaps, and have very limited social skills themselves, and therefore they are nothing to be afraid of.

CherryPicking · 12/11/2015 07:02

Normal.

I think its that combination of knowing we have to be there every day but most of us would rather be in bed with a cup of tea. Hence the inconsistency.

CherryPicking · 12/11/2015 07:13

What lock said. I hate to say it, but yes, it's the small town types who are the least inclusive at dcs school.

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2rebecca · 12/11/2015 08:19

I didnt find schools any different to other places for the range of people. I think some people just under estimate how many dis functional people there are.
The groups at gates have often lived in the same town all their lives

GreenandPinkbrislebrush · 12/11/2015 09:29

I so agree with your posts draylon and rebecca.

UsedtobeFeckless · 12/11/2015 10:02

It's not just you and it's not about where you are OP school gates are weird!

I had a horrid time when DS1 started because my brother's in-the-process-of-becoming-ex wife was already a playground lynchpin and chair of the PTA at the same school and I though all the blankings and general oddness were down to her having told everyone awful things about us ... I don't think she had, actually, and it did improve over time - but to start with it was a total ordeal - don't miss it at all now they're at upper school! Grin

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