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AIBU?

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About DH working in Japan?

89 replies

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 05/11/2015 16:40

To give a bit of background so I'm not drupfeeding. My DH has his own company, we do well (I do accounts etc) and I am a SAHM. We have three kids who are 10, 5, 2. My DH tends to get an idea about something and jumps in with both feet without thinking it through properly or only seeing the positives rather than negatives. He is a great husband, really helps out with the kids and in the house if needed etc, isn't funny with money or abusive in anyway except he can sometimes unknowingly be a little selfish. His siblings were in their twenties when he was born because his mum had them young so he was spoiled by them all and grew up pretty much as an only child so sometimes thinks only of himself.

He called me this morning and asked how I would feel about him going to work in Japan in a couple of weeks for a few weeks. Hed been given someone's number who was looking for contractors to go over and work with him.

I said (thinking here we go with an idea he suddenly thinks is great without thinking of negatives) get more info then we will discuss it.

So he text me later saying 'x said the guy has guys working in Australia the Bahamas, could be a great adventure' that instantly make me think he's thinking of the benefits to himself and what he can get out by getting to go.

He then called and said he has spoken to the guy and it's all expenses paid (didn't ask where exactly he'd be staying though) day rate is less than what he charges here but the same as what he makes after tax. However he'd be working 12 hour shifts that he doesn't do here and he'd be working 21 days straight that he doesn't here and the kids wouldn't see their dad for three weeks.

Since starting typing this he has come in. He said he's worked it out and hed make 250 more than he would at home. I said 250 over three weeks but the kids wouldn't see you for three weeks and would really miss you. Surely the negatives outweighs the positives for the family as a whole and financially it's not that much better. He said in an annoyed tone well I just thought it would be an experience that could lead to other things and work elsewhere (more adventures for him with not much more financial benefits is what I take from that) I said I think you are being a little selfish and thinking of it as an adventure for yourself instead of thinking how much the kids will miss you. Hes went out in a huff but is away to help his friend in his house anyway.

Aibu? It just feels like the benefits aren't that great and it's coming up to Xmas where il be having to rush from pillar to post getting the kids to all their different things they will need to go to and doing it on my own for an extra 250 just isn't worth it.

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ChocolateFuzz · 05/11/2015 17:19

Surely he can video chat with the kids while he's away

tbtc20 · 05/11/2015 17:21

I'd give my blessing. Your time will come when you'll be offered opportunities to do something out of the norm.

Tapirs · 05/11/2015 17:23

I think you need to have an adventure of your own too. His will involve cancelling clients and not making money while you run around doing the shit work here so make absolutely sure you get payback.

Today I found my notebook of daily to do lists from when DH was last abroad with work and we had 3 kids. I must have been fucking crazy.

And then he thanked me by going several times - for weeks on end - and shagging someone from the client's office he was working for while he was out there.

No one (including him) would ever have thought he would be capable of such a thing - he was a straight up good guy. Or not, as it turns out.

Millions of men have worked abroad without shagging around but I'd be a bit more cautious about waving him off to 'have adventures' if I had my time over again. After all, going away to a first world country to work and having it all organised for you and paid on expenses etc etc is hardly a real adventure, is it?

SteveBrucesNose · 05/11/2015 17:27

It's not tax free as its out of EU.

If he gets caught not declaring income earned overseas, he's in shit.

He might even supposedly have to pay tax in Japan. Is it legal for him to work in Japan, without being licensed over there?

Anyway, those issues apart, I'd be a bit peeved but supportive. But I'm an expat, and we often have differing views of working overseas away from family.

pinkdelight · 05/11/2015 17:28

Can you talk it over in a more abstract way. What exactly is it he wants? Because the adventure aspect sounds like it's not about work/money so talking from that perspective is just going to create conflict. Is it that he wants to go to Japan? To have a break away from the family? Because both of those are things that you could deal with separately to the pressing issue of this job, which it sounds like he should turn down (YANBU!). But if you can acknowledge his desire to have some kind of adventure - and he can do likewise for you of course - then you could come to a more amicable resolution. Whether it's an exotic family hol next year, or weekends away for each of you, or whatever compromise will keep both of you most happy.

Pythonesque · 05/11/2015 17:28

Get him to reconsider the tax side of things. I'm almost 100% certain he will have to pay proper UK tax on the money he earns over there. Agree with above posters that to make it worth while it needs to pay significantly more, he is being exploited. And you too as a consequence.

I'd be worried about him letting down clients this end too. If you do the accounts, sit him down to have an accounts-based discussion. And if he's thinking about future opportunities abroad, be up-front about the consequences for you and your children, that you need to be able to accompany him to broaden the children's lives and / or will need extra support at home if he is regularly away. (sure if there was no choice you'd cope, but this is different)

TheBitchOfDestiny · 05/11/2015 17:29

250 what? quid??

or 250000 ??

Confused
Katarzyna79 · 05/11/2015 17:30

Yabu. yes maybe he is being a bit selfish wanting an adventure, but wouldn't you want him to let you go if you had a similar opportunity?

I don't think its the money that is an incentive because it's not much more on top of his income just 250 more for 3 weeks?

So it will be a good experience and adventure I wouldn't hold my partner back he;d only resent me later. The only thing id worry about is his safety abroad, is he acquainted with anyone he is going with?

When you get an opportunity to do something similar do it, he should see sense and be happy with you going too right?

i miss my husband evne if he goes away for the weekend we are as bad as each other because we are rarely apart. But i know push come to shove i could tolerate it, really 3 weeks is not that long a period.

don't be deterred by the poster who said her husband had an affair on a business trip, the fact is adulterers will cheat given an opportunity location is irrelevant.

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 05/11/2015 17:31

Oh god Tapirs that's bloody awful! Was that recently?

You are right no one knows what could happen. That wasn't even something that crossed my mind really but I suppose you just never know. I could bump into the man of my dreams when picking up parsnips from the supermarket when he's away...or not haha.

He hasn't replied. Going to finish making dinner then have a driving lesson at seven and my test in the morning Shock so not stressing about this.

Will let you know if I hear back from him. My dad's coming to watch the kids and DH will probably be back from helping his friend about nineish.

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Pythonesque · 05/11/2015 17:34

Another thing - does he know what visa he will need and how much time it will take for that to be organised?

BarbarianMum · 05/11/2015 17:34

Tapirs sorry that happened to you. But many men manage to cheat on their wives without going halfway across the world to do it. Keeping them home won't stop it - it's a choice they make.

SweetAdeline · 05/11/2015 17:36

I would be ok with dh going but he'd be appreciative of the extra "work" it would cause me and be ok with me employing a cleaner/childcare to make it more bearable.

As a UK resident, I'm almost certain he would be taxed on those earnings.

It sounds like a good opportunity for him, do you get the option to take similar opportunities or is it always all about him?

BigChocFrenzy · 05/11/2015 17:37

Check Tax properly !
He would remain a UK resident, so I think he would pay tax on all worldwide income, incuding Japan.
If Japan and UK don't have a double taxation agreement, he could even oat twice, or at least spend ages claiming back from Japan - in a foreign system & language.

This is from HMRC:

You remain a UK resident if you are in the UK:

  • 183 days or more in any tax year
  • An average of 91 days per tax year over a period of four years

On top of this, HMRC will take into account a number of other factors, including:

  • Your family ties
  • Social ties, such as memberships at UK clubs or societies
  • If you still have a house in the UK *If you have any work ties, including whether you’re still the director of your limited company
GreenPotato · 05/11/2015 17:38

I'm self-employed and work on contracts, and no way would I ever cancel jobs! (apart from for a pressing reason like serious illness) That will do his business more damage than a bit of extra cash or the perceived benefit of a potential foreign client network.

I agree OP, it sounds as if he is just thinking of how fun and glam it would be for him to travel the world, be free of the home and childcare treadmill and see himself as a jetsetter. He's putting that before what it will mean for you, and before the fact that it isn't actually a great business decision.

The huff suggests he's excited and head-in-the-clouds about it and doesn't like you bringing him back down to Earth.

My DP travels for work, usually not for more than a week. Once it was 10 days, my DC were a very difficult 2 and 7 at the time. I was on my knees by the end of it. (We have no family support and I work, so it was extra exhausting, but still.)

(And I know it's even harder for lone parents and I take my hat off to them)

I'm not sure if you can talk him out of it. OTOH part of me thinks if he goes he might learn his lesson. It will be non-stop work, far from home and he might realise it's actually quite lonely.

chocadd1ct · 05/11/2015 17:40

YANBU and very needy. it is 3 weeks not 3 years Confused

chocadd1ct · 05/11/2015 17:41

sorry, this was supposed to be YABVU

BigChocFrenzy · 05/11/2015 17:41

Things may have changed the last 10 years, but I had to pay UK tax on foreign income.

AnnieNoMouse · 05/11/2015 17:43

Did your post above day he wouldn't allow you to have a cleaner for those 3 weeks because he is the one who works? I guess you sit around all day doing nothing then - apart of course from when you're looking after his 3children, doing his company's accounts, and all the jobs at home that give him the freedom to waltz off for 3 weeks at short notice. He sounds like a tosser. And he needs to recognise that the plans he make impinge on you as well, instead of taking you for granted.

LeaLeander · 05/11/2015 17:44

Life is short. I would never stand in the way of anyone else's adventure, even if I couldn't go along.

I do think that after holding down the fort at home you deserve a treat yourself a holiday or a spa weekend or something but in your shoes I would never tell my partner to turn down what could be a fun and valuable experience.

Namechangenell · 05/11/2015 17:45

He sounds extremely selfish. So he swans off, not much financial benefit to your family unit, and you're left doing all the drudge back home? I don't think so! It won't be tax free as he'll need to pay tax somewhere in the world, and has he got the right visa for working in Japan?

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 05/11/2015 17:45

Iv just called him regarding the tax stuff because I don't take that lightly.

So, apparently it's through the royal Caribbean cruise ship and they deal with everything visa etc. Its docked in Japan and it's that he would be working on. So it's considered offshore the guy said. Their accommodation would be on the cruise ship. Iv told him to go for it.

Chocadd I couldnt be any further from needy so your comment made me literally laugh out loud.

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whois · 05/11/2015 17:49

As a PP put so well, if it's a break from the family or an adventure he wants, there are better ways to obtain that than by pissing off to Japan for three weeks.

He should pay tax.
He will poss off existing clients.
And working 12h days for 3 weeks sounds a shit way to see Japan.

I would try and find a better way to have some 'adventure' rather than this stupid work trip.

AntiqueSinger · 05/11/2015 17:51

Sorry but YABU. If an opportunity like this came my way and my partner made it obvious that they disapproved and prevented me from enjoying it or refused me permission, I'd resent them massively. Being with someone shouldn't mean you can't persue new things and grow (within reason). If it were 3 months I'd understand. But three weeks will be over quickly, and as one poster said, it would be an opportunity to teach the children about geography and different cultures.

I'd be happy, and putting in my requests for the things I want too. He can hardly justify refusing your whims right now can heSmile

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 05/11/2015 17:52

Annie no sorry what I meant was I wouldn't get a cleaner. Then no me going away to work if the option was there wouldn't happen and he wouldn't support because he works in reply to someone who asked would he support me if the opportuinty arose.

His friend has started work on the Disney cruise liner as an engineer about three months ago and has been sending pics regularly of beautiful places they are. Last week was miami. He however gets great wages, isn't working seven days a week and is getting to explore. Think it's maybe giving my DH itchy feet.

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2015 17:53

If DH had this opportunity, I'd be packing his bags now in encouragement. I'd be green with envy and view it as a real privilege.

DH has worked abroad before. He has done 3 weeks away before. Its hard going, being the one stuck at home. I know its anything but a jolly for DH too and I don't get way people view it like that. It is however an adventure.

I've also been to Japan before. Its more of a culture shock than people realise. But that's why I think the opportunity to work there is even more of an opportunity and something I desparately wouldn't want DH to miss out on.

The money really would be a last consideration as the different it has made to DH's CV has been far more in the long term (he didn't get anything extra from being away).