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"You're a big heavy girl"

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0utForAWalkBitch · 04/11/2015 08:25

My mum says this to my two year old all the time when lifting her. I absolutely know it's not meant maliciously, but I remember her saying the same thing to me as a child and developing a terrible complex about my weight as a result (other factors probably at play with me though, my dad was very vocal about weight, whereas me and my husband never mention it). She only sees my mum every few months due to distance but has started talking about being a "heavy girl" to me when I lift her, even when my mum isn't there.

AIBU to ask my mum not to say this? I don't want to make a big deal of it if I'm projecting my own emotions a bit too much maybe. What do you think? I think mentioning it will upset my mum which I don't want to do, but likewise I don't want my daughter growing up being told she's heavy when she is not!

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goodnightdarthvader1 · 04/11/2015 16:20

DH2R, there's nothing in the OP's post that suggests her gran towering over her, wagging her finger, booming "YOU are a REALLY HEAVY GIRL". She seems to have quite normally said "Ooof, you're a big heavy girl!"

Again, there is no fault implied in that statement. You can argue about (unknown) inflection as much as you like, but it doesn't change the words used or their meaning. No "you're hurting my back, you're a big heavy girl", no "you;re a big heavy girl, heavier than all the other girls I lift". There's no blame.

As I posted earlier, I have direct experience with hurtful negative body comments, ones that are much more direct and less subtle than "you're heavy / light to lift", so I know only too well how damaging DIRECT comments about a person's body shape can be. I still don't think this falls into that category.

DH2R · 04/11/2015 16:44

She is saying 'YOU' are a big heavy girl.

The situation is that she is struggling to lift her. The reason given for that struggle, is the heaviness of the child being lifted. And the comment is being directed at the child in question. I think this is 'blame'.

And she says, 'you are a big heavy GIRL'. Not 'Ooh you're heavy'. There's a definite implication that as girls go, she is a big heavy one.

And the statement is very clear and defining - and is repeated. Such repetition of clear statements can and often do become self-defining for the recipient. This is why as parents it's advisable to give positive reinforcement is it not.

As I said above I don't think the child, at this point, will be upset by this. But if the message is repeated (as the OP said it was) I do think there is a chance (however large or small) that it will potentially cause or contribute to problems in the future for this child. So why risk it?

goodnightdarthvader1 · 04/11/2015 18:41

Jesus. I'm out throws up hands

HeteronormativeHaybales · 04/11/2015 18:49

I'm with madwoman. My babies were all 5- and 6-pounders and I love/d picking them up, noticing and celebrating their weight gain.

DH2B, it's only 'blame' if we regard 'heavy' as negative. Which you seem to, at least in girls. It's wonderful, as an adult who loves a child, to struggle to pick them up, to watch them growing, later on, taller than you, to see them gaining in stature and presence. In your interpretation, the GM is 'blaming' the girl for - effectively - being inconveniently large. This seems to me to suggest that you've absorbed, even if yoz don't subscribe to it, a view of girls/women as needing to be neat, convenient, light, no bother.

And I think 'girl' was used simply because this child is a girl. Not emphasised.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 04/11/2015 19:19

YOU ARE HEAVY FOR A GIRL.

I mean, really?

walks out again, shaking her head

blueshoes · 04/11/2015 23:02

"Ah, Polly I see you are one of the AIBU-ers that just come on here to give your inner bitch a bit of an airing, never mind, as you were!"

Lol.

Anyway, Polly, do sign up for some anger management classes. AIBU is not cheap therapy for you.

MusicMum18 · 05/11/2015 08:48

Mydad used to call me 'fat podge', as a little pet name. Can't remember how old i was but i as little. I remember that all these years later so it must have made me feel self conscious as I was growing up. He didn't mean anything by it, it was just a pet name. It didn't upset me at the time as I was little but the fact that I remember it now shows that it affected me in some way, negatively. I look back and wonder if I was fat, to be honest I still look at myself and question my weight and appearance but I am old enough now not to bother so much as when I was younger.

Could the issue be more that society tells girls/women that we have to be 'thin' and 'light' to be beautiful, rather than those closest to us? But in us saying things like 'big girl' it's reinforcing this attitude?

I have to admit that I can see myself lifting my little girl up and saying 'you're heavy', but I don't think I'd use the word big. I think the word heavy is a statement of fact. You could lift up and bag and say that's heavy. It's not a bad thing, it's a fact.

The word big however, I think is different. I can understand that a little girl who, if repeatedly told she is big, will become self conscious of her size. This is because sadly, the society we live in generally sees 'big' not to mean 'tall' and the word 'big' for a female is not complimentary. For example I would be upset if someone called me a 'big' lady. In fact someone did call me 'well developed' a few weeks ago, I don't consider myself to be overweight however I gave birth 6 mths ago and am carrying a bit of baby weight still. I am a size 12. I did take offence and thougt the person was rude. I came home and cried, partly due to lack of sleep with lo but also because I felt ugly.

You just have to open a female magazine, or put MTV on, or look to see pop singers nowadays. Young girls are being taught by celebrity culture that to look beautiful and sexy they should be skinny. Role models for girls include pp stars like Miley Cyrus swinging naked on a wrecking ball etc. Girls start to think this is good looking. I'm a teacher and there are so many children I tach who are underage taking selfies of themselves, pouting with lippy on trying to look sexy and older than their years. Very sad, they are growing up before their time.

It's not right and I worry for my lo that she is growing up in a society where girls image is so important. When I was little kylie was no. 1 and her videos and the 80s pop videos are all sweet and innocent in comparison. Kylie was fully clothed back then, not half naked thrusting their pelvis around like women do in today's pop videos.

So, to sum up, I think that society has a big impact on girls self image. Therefore it is the responsibility of families, to make girls feel GOOD about themselves. Using the word big to describe a little girl, even though not badly intentioned, is not helping the girl to see herself in a positive way.

To be really picky, what is a big girl? A fat one? A tall one? That's open to interpretation, so the girl might interpret it as being fat. And might grow up with a bad self image.

I think we need to be sooooo careful how we talk to girls, and we should be careful of the words we use. We need to teach girls to value themselves, and empower them to feel good about themselves. Using the word 'big' in my view does not teach a girl this.

I would explain all this to your gm. Discuss it with her and decide on the best approach together.

MusicMum18 · 05/11/2015 08:57

There are lots of phrases that people could say innocently that might cause offence to a lady eg...

'Youre Big,".......funnily enought I can't imagine a woman being upset by being called small?!!
"You're fat,"....... like it or not, if you were to say that someone is fat, it is not a compliment and would likely cause offence. To call someone thin, would not cause offence, and some women might even take this as a compliment.
"You're well developed"....someone called me this the other day, and I took it to mean fat and was upst. That was before I saw this post.

The best thing to do is not comment on people's appearance at all in my opinion.

Repeatedly Commenting on a girls appearance is in my view indirectly telling them that what they look like is significant. Appearance is personal and all based on an individual's opinion. What one person thinks is fat, another wouldn't agree.

2rebecca · 05/11/2015 09:12

I think your mum repeatedly commenting on your daughter's weight is pointless and unnecessary. If she doesnt want to lift her up then she stops. Id ask her to stop saying how heavy she is. I cant see any constructive reason for it and it sounds martyrish.

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