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To get annoyed at cyclists in the middle of the road

217 replies

ILiveAtTheBeach · 03/11/2015 18:26

There are loads round here. They don't cycle to the side. They cycle in the very centre of the lane you are in. So you can't overtake if it's busy. Thus you drive to your destination in first gear. I. Haven't. Got. Time. For. This. Aargh!

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SoupDragon · 04/11/2015 09:18

I can't stand this car is king attitude

I can't stand how, on MN, the cyclists are never in the wrong.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/11/2015 09:24

Soupdragon that is why cyclists don't like cycling too near to the gutter though - so they don't die under someones wheels. Cyclists are vulnerable therefore car drivers need to bear this in mind. Most accidents with bikes and cars etc are not the cyclists fault.

bearleftmonkeyright · 04/11/2015 09:29

Cyclists are human beings and are inevitably going to be wrong sometimes. They are not an homogenous group. They are individuals, all cycling for different reasons, some are twats, some aren't. But this is just one of those threads where the OP hasn't made her case and it just starts into a pointless bunfight. Whatever the reason for posting, it is a fact that in a stand off between a car and a bike the bike will lose, always and no matter how twatty the cyclist is, if they have cut you up or overshot a red light or not said thanks, (which is not always easy to do, I usually nod my head in appreciation because my hands are on the handlebars) then the cyclist will lose. Always. And noone wants that.

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 04/11/2015 09:31

Yabvu.

Lweji · 04/11/2015 09:36

It is recommended that cyclists drive in the middle of the lanes to be clearly visible and not be pushed to the side risking serious falls and accidents.
Complain to the council about lack of cycle lanes.

SoupDragon · 04/11/2015 09:40

Most accidents with bikes and cars etc are not the cyclists fault

On MN it is never their fault.

XingXingFox · 04/11/2015 09:43

If there are cars parked along the road, it is the only place to cycle safely- far too many people swing open car doors into cyclists because they don't check first. I'm afraid you're going to have to learn to use the road in a patient way.

merrymouse · 04/11/2015 09:45

Just driven on a standard national speed limit road. Cyclist on other side. He was virtually in the gutter but cars still had to move on to my side of the road to overtake. The only kind of vehicle that could have overtaken him without crossing over would have been another bike or motorcycle.

HearTheThunderRoar · 04/11/2015 09:46

Yabu. A man got killed where we live when he was cycling in the cycle lane as a parked car opened their door and swerved out into the traffic where he got killed instantly.

Cyclists have as much right to use the roads as cars do.

mudandmayhem01 · 04/11/2015 12:55

It doesn't matter who is wrong, it matters who is vulnerable ( generally cyclists and pedestrians)

ivykaty44 · 04/11/2015 13:47

Next time you overtake a bike or think a cyclist is holding you up think about that same person being in another car
www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/17/bikes-cars-cyclists-clever-protest-riga-latvia

Cyclist take up far less room and it means you can get to your destination quicker, if you put those same people on bikes into a car you would cause more congestion and your trip would take longer - is that really what you want? It doesn't make sense to want to go slower surely?

ivykaty44 · 04/11/2015 13:50

It would be far better if cyclist were given different rules as it would protect them and again aid congestion for motorised vehicles

www.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2015/07/30/this-is-what-happened-when-bicyclists-obeyed-traffic-laws-along-the-wiggle-yesterday

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/11/2015 16:56

HearTheThunder - I had a car driver open her car door onto me when I was cycling once as a young teenager. It flung me into the road - thankfully there was no cars going up the road at the time. All the car driver said to me was "Oh I wasn't expecting a cyclist" this was a normal road outside a busy school! That error could have killed me. That is the thing cyclists are vulnerable so car drivers need to very aware of this.

helenahandbag · 04/11/2015 16:58

I just had a discussion with a colleague about this today, oddly. He cycles in the middle of the road because people around here tend to squeeze into the most ridiculous parking spaces, even if they leave their cars sticking out into the (already narrow) cycle lane. This means he has to swerve out to avoid it, plus people open their doors or pull out in front of cyclists.

Apparently it's much safer to be right in the middle as there are fewer obstacles.

daisychain01 · 04/11/2015 17:18

You can be as "right" as you like but very dead.

I agree with bear that the cyclist is the vulnerable one, who will always come off worst in an incident.

I cycle very defensively ie always taking the view I have to ensure the driver clearly sees me and know in plenty of time what my intended manoeuvre is. Being a motorist too, it has made me much more forgiving even if there is a twat-on- 2 wheels intent on suicide. I give them the benefit of the doubt, because I'm in the killer machine not them.

And nodding to signify "thankyou" is very acceptable and appreciated. No need to have to take hands off the handlebars and end up in a hedge Grin

daisychain01 · 04/11/2015 17:22

Come to think of it, I do a funny thing with my right hand - sort of grip with my thumb and palm and lift up my 4 fingers. it's quite visible esp with my yellow dayglo gloves!

amarmai · 04/11/2015 17:49

i was in court 2 weeks ago and will be going back next year , as the driver who sped ahead of the pack at the lights apparently did not see me on my bike in an empty road and me riding as close to the sidewalk as possible= no place to go if i had heard her speed up so close to me that she hit my handle bar and knocked me off my bike into the road. She then pulled into the middle of the still empty road and stopped, stayed in the car with 2 passengers, sorting out the story she had started when she pulled into the middle of the road. No apology,no offer of help,did not ask how i was-she and her passengers got busy asking for names and addresses of witnesses to subborn. So fast forward 4 months to court and she is telling the judge she does not know what she is supposed to have done as she did nothing wrong and needs time to prepare her defence. She has been given another 4 months and what will she lie about next time? Thankfully i have a witness and truth on my side. I guess i shd ride in the middle of the road?

amarmai · 04/11/2015 18:01

just to add the car driver was charged by the police with'failing to share the road '. the police man was also in court - i was his witness ?

ValiantMouse · 04/11/2015 21:49

I have no problem with cyclists on the roads, I just wish they would pull over like any other slower moving vehicle if there's a huge queue of traffic behind them. I've been that slow moving vehicle- tractors, a combine and a horse- and I always pull off if there's somewhere safe to do so to allow the traffic to flow past me. Much safer for everyone, because the people behind aren't getting impatient and trying something stupid, and I don't have to deal with someone tailgating me.

The ones who cycle with no lights or high viz on an unlit road are the ones who give me the rage...

MagickPants · 04/11/2015 22:21

Cycle paths - if / where they exist at all - are an abomination. There is one I use every day where you cycle along in it until you are stopped at the red light. Then you move off again on green, and are immediately thrown into the bank of traffic moving off faster, but behind you (you were in the bike box) by a curb that suddenly sticks out in the road obliterating the path completely. You panic, indicate right, and so far I have got away with it. I should just stop using it.

The cycle path through the common is rife with dogs that worry you. This morning I slowed down to a steady, gritted teeth crawl while one growled and snarled trying to block me. It's owner a little way off bellowed its name, pitifully unheeded. I know people want to walk their dogs on the common but the highway code says clearly that they must be kept under control from impeding bike paths.

In central london there are always vans parked in bike paths. they just stop there.

Someone nearly drove into me the other day pulling out from a side road. She just barrelled into the bike path without looking and I screeched to a halt and came off. the driver had a go at me!

Some of the safest looking bike paths alongside roads don't allow for turn offs. They're fine if you're committing to a mile and a half in the same direction but you can't turn. So you can't use them because you will be turning e.g. right across many lanes of traffic which do not expect to see you there, and that's terrifying.

So: bike paths don't work and cause danger. The pavements obv are for pedestrians. So that leaves us with the roads. Sorry but we have jobs and places to go too. We're using the roads.

All the abuse I have ever had from motorists while cycling - quite a lot - is simply that they don't want me to dare to exist with a bike. There is never anything that you're actually doing wrong when some arsehole is bellowing at you, beeping their horn at you, flapping to "slot" you off to somewhere else (where? Where do you want me to go?) I used to challenge them and ask them what they thought I should be doing. Several times when doing this I have attracted from nowhere a critical mass of other cyclists who come and back me up. Which is nice. But now I know that anyone in a vehicle who is shouting, beeping, doing "slotting" motions, or "swatting" motions, is just an absolute fucking idiot and should be completely ignored. They're just jumped up arrogant lazy trumpwankmops who didn't get out of bed in time and are looking for someone smaller to abuse over their own failures.

Scremersford · 04/11/2015 22:45

SoupDragon And cyclists are also quite capable of killing themselveves using someone else's car.

The lack of logic behind this is astounding. I wonder why defence teams the world over have not seized on it. Imagine the possibilities:

  • sorry m'lord, the victim just ran into my knife and stabbed himself with it
  • m'lord, it wasn't my fault, he was just in the way of my discharged bullets
  • it wasn't my fault m'lady, she ran out in front of my fist

Almost as logical as suggesting that slim, attractive, healthy people have maybe got things right...

I know what group I'd rather be considered part of.

amarmai · 04/11/2015 23:25

yep- i'm expecting some Alice In Cardriverland logic like this when the policeman and i return to court in 4 mths time.

gasman · 05/11/2015 00:37

I'm an urban cyclist. Some of the cyclists I see behave abnomnibally. The one who shoved past me in the advanced stop yesterday because I wasn't going through the red light was a case in point.

Most aren't idiots though.

I think all drivers should have a shot of a bike in heavy traffic to remind them why primary position cycling is necessary. If nothing else Professional drivers should as the stats show they are most likely to be involved in a central London RTA with a cyclist

The worst bit of my commute tbh is the cycle path - it forms part of one of the national cycle routes and is so badly designed it puts me in danger daily. I particularly like the bit where the path becomes two way for bikes but remains one way for vehicles (ie bike lane only uphill but mixed vehicle / bike lane downhill). Loads of cars then park kerbside in the down hill section thus forcing the buses out into the cycke lane to overtake them. This is at a bend so I inevitably come round the corner building speed to tackle the hill to find myself head to head in the cycle lane with a bus...

Drivers massively overestimate how much they are delayed by bikes. When I'm moving I generally move at around 10-15mph. The average speed of. A car in central london really isn't much faster but the feeling of driving slowly and being given a shorter queueing opportunity at the next set of traffic lights causes great angst.

People are very intolerant of primary position I was nudged forwards just before Christmas last year and knocked off by a white van man in a queue of traffic as he thought I shouldn't be taking up a place in the queue. I was Doing so as I was turning left and my other option was to go up the inside of an articulated lorry and I didn't fancy that as it truly is the route to death. There wasn't enough room for me and white van man to sit next to each other and I got there first so why shouldn't I have retained my place in the queue....

Senpai · 05/11/2015 04:09

The only thing that irritates me is that cyclists don't follow traffic laws. They want to be treated like cars, but then don't act like cars. Stop at the 4 way, don't dart in front of cars, don't cross and intersection unless you have a green light, not a pedestrian walk sign on the crosswalk.

I've seen bikes get hit because they're being idiots. I've also seen cars hit bikes because they're being stupid.

But bicyclists can indeed be in the wrong when it comes to cars. However, it is usually in their best interests not to be stupid as I am not going to be the one in the hospital if you stupidly jump in front of my car with no warning.

They really should make bikes ride on the sidewalks. They have no licence plates to hold them accountable if they cause an accident or behave recklessly like a car would. They're classified only as a car when it's to their favor, but never when it comes to holding them accountable.

Lweji · 05/11/2015 06:10

They really should make bikes ride on the sidewalks.

So, it's better if they hit pedestrians than for cars to be mindful of cyclists?
WTAF?
(Speaking as a driver and pedestrian)