Use of child death as an analogy for sense of loss should be punishable by wearing a dimwit hat for ever more

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Fucking Liz Fraser in the weekend guardian is the latest in a long line of journalists and writers who seem to think this is ok.

Here's a sample of what she has to say in her article about her sense of loss in watching her children grow from primary age into teenagers:

"When the joy goes - and it does, because life moves on and you can’t play peek-a-boo with a 12-year-old who wants to play Minecraft with his similarly zit-infested mates – it feels like bereavement."

"Those young children are dead now. They are gone."

"The bereavement is long, slow and refreshed every day."

Just so you know, Liz Fraser, watching a child grow up as it gets older is really not anything like not watching a child grow up because the child is dead. I know this, because I've tried them both.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who notices this shit? Please tell me you recognise that it's not the fucking same at all? That it's not even a tiny bit similar and that it's crass in the extreme to suggest it?

"Might be upsetting to someone who has lost a child"

No, HQ, actually it might be upsetting to someone with a shred of empathy who hasn't suffered the loss of a child.

I don't think there is any "might" about it for someone who has actually lost a child.

Your initial response in this thread was pretty weak. Please think before you go plugging your pal's shite pieces in future.

whose. Fuckit.

see also her #cuntsandnicepeople

Wonder which she thinks the bereaved parents on this thread are?

I think she's winding herself up for a poor-me piece in the Observer this weekend, followed by an hilarious anecdote for her stand-up routine.

Her initial article may have been ill-judged but she's coming across as just deliberately goady and cruel now, has she no RL friends advising her to wind it in?

I know I said I wouldn't post on this again but this egregious arsehole hasn't taken anything on board. I don't understand how twitter works. Is there another way of showing everyone how awful she is on in without her being able to block.

yy multivac

She's speaking to two different audiences

Can you make a comment and then # her name and if lots of people do that it comes up when people search her name and is really obvious but because you are no @ her she can't block you

Horrible, horrible, horrible. All of it. MNHQ not getting it included.

Bet she was a MNer. Possibly a Mouldie. She wouldn't have been able to resist.

She definitely is does voluntary work for the NSPCC and for Clic Sargeant, the charity for children with leukaemia. And still wrote that tripe.

Yes the hashtag approach might work.

insensitive twat of the day award goes to #lizwhatevernameis
Sort of thig

Reading her hashtags in conjunction with her tweets ... The people who agree with her are nice people. The people who don't are cunts.

So parents who have found it offensive and distressing that she made inappropriate comments about the effects of the death of a child are cunts.

And she calls us trolls?

Use your power for good, not evil, HQ.

What a vile bloody excuse for a woman [despair]

Driver - I think people have heard of death of a salesman. The wtf comments are more how on earth she thought that was a funny aside. Is that her style in stand up?

Well, a well read Manics fan such as yourself would definitely know Miller, eh Libraries

She must be a loon.

99% of people would have said: oh shit I'm sorry it came across that way. Yes it was badly written, overwrought and insensitive.

Instead she has gone: stop abusing me- you bunch of twats.

As for the comparison with Arthur miller, erm....

Blissfully unaware is about right, and probably a much better way of putting it than mine was. I'm glad there seems to be something getting through that it ought to have been better thought through, or edited out.

When people in real life make an ignorant remark along these lines I always think, how fortunate that so many do not have a clue about child death these days, when it used to be so much more common.

I've no idea what others have tweeted to her, what with being blocked and all, but I'm sorry I inadvertently launched a Twitter hoo ha on her.

No hate here, just a wish to spread enlightenment from the other side of the unthinkable that is child death in the hope of being faced with fewer awful, inappropriate analogies that make me wince over my Saturday breakfast.

Ha ha ha Culture sucks down words has posted on here too.

I mean. Death of a salesman is about , you know, the death of a salesman.its a tragedy. I am obviously dim but I don't get the joke.

Oh God, that's foul. Poking fun now?

Salesmen... Children... No diff yeah?

Feel sick.

I don't do twitter, but I do feel the need to respond so Liz, if you are reading this thread:

You seem to be deliberately missing the point with many of your tweets. It's not your mourning the passing childhood of your children that's the issue.

It's this: "Those young children are dead now. They are gone." No, they are not. But my little sister is. Killed by a drunken driver. She is dead now. She is gone.

Oh and I call bollocks on her claim that somebody tweeted her "wishing her kids would die so she would know what it felt like", why hasn't she retweeted it, she did with the one about her children looking at her with hatred?
I sounds very like the "thanks so much for all the supportive PM's " posts so beloved of the goady fuckers and serial fantasists who like to post their made-up rubbish when MNHQ is closed for the weekend

I lost my baby at 15 weeks pregnant.
What I'd give to have seen him grow into an adult.

to all of us who are truly bereaved.
xx

fucking hell, the death of a salesman post is awful. How could she think it was OK to post that.

I hope people( the general public type people) get a chance to read this thread as well as her twitter page. I can't believe she is playing the victim because people disagreed with her on the Internet.

She knows she fucked up. She knows that no normal human being would tweet her hoping her kid would die. She knows this. She knows they the bereaved parents on mumsnet would never ever wish on anyone. She knows this.

My nice side thinks she's embarrassed and too stupid and narc to just stop. Take stock, listen and apologise.

My weary life side thinks she's seeing this as great publicity as to be frank i expect more people know her name now than they did before.

I had never heard of her. But then to me the guardian is as vacuous and daft ds the daily mail/mirror/sun.

MNHQ
What I don't get is that you, mnhq, have deleted your tweet but only after reading this thread,
So you obviously agreed with her shit article and brown nosed her before you read this thread.
If this thread hadn't been started then you wouldn't have deleted your tweet,

You disappoint me HQ, I've thankfully not lost a child but I know somebody who has, and I see a lot of child bereavement in my job. It's the worst thing in the world IMO
Liz Frazer, you should be ashamed of yourself, at the very least,

'Clic Sargeant, the charity for children with leukaemia.'

It is for all children with cancer. Acute myeloid leukaemia claimed the life of my 9-year-old daughter.