To think most NHS GPs are underpaid

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Everyone seems to think that gp s all earn 150k. However both of the gp s I know "only" earn about 10k a day that they work and both have been doing the job 6-8 years.

I say only as quite frankly for the amount of training they have, the serious job they have and the consequences if they get something wrong then it doesn't seem like much. I earn a similar amount once my bonus is added in and I don't have an important job at all and has very little responsibility.

Both the gp s I know do just want to quit, one has recently been through a court case by a bereaved family and was cleared of anything. But has taken up so much of her free time and caused her stress to go through the roof.

Sorry, she's 26

Even at 26-that doesn't give time to qualify as a GP!

Most GPs are independent contractors to the NHS - they have the lobbying power (through RCGP) to hold up vaccination programmes, prevent treatment to patients and demand additional fees to meet Government targets. They are not all the poor badly done to folks that they would like you to believe. Having said that I know some who are very thorough, hard working and dedicated - and deserve a salary that reflects that. However, as a body of professionals they are manipulative and very, very rewards-driven in my opinion and experience.

Anyone else getting fed up with all the "Doctors are so poor" threads there have been on here of late?

Impossible to be fully qualified GP by age 26. 5 years med school. 2 years foundation. 3 years minimum GP training.

and even then you don't walk straight into a £98k job.

Tbf it's one of those choices in life isn't it? Yes morally and ethically pretty much every hcp is priceless however a price does have to be put on it and it is what it is. Private or public there will be a value attached. That's where individual responsibility comes in and it's down to the person doing the job to decide what's worth what.

If either of your friends are that unhappy then chances are there isn't actually a figure that could negate that permanently in that line of work. Paying more wouldn't change any triggers for what is making them unhappy. At that point it's time to consider what other options are available in life.

While we need gp's I wouldn't expect any individual to continue working in a profession that made them unhappy and stressed beyond their personal limits. Can I also stress I'm not actually arguing for or against whether they're paid 'enough'. I just don't believe the reasons you've given would be fixed with money.

I am confused at the GPs finances. And this thread in general.

That is crap about being 24 a gp on about 100k!

Yes my friends have chosen not to be partners, but most days they are doing several hours of unpaid case work just to get up to date and have 50 hours of clinical work tondo in their spare time every year.

I still don't feel sorry for them being on £55,000 a year pro rata, which is the minimum a salaried GP can be paid, sorry!

Nope. They get paid fine for what they do. Never seen a poor gp.

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I, too, support doctors but am fed up of some doctors whining about their wages. They earn decent money which is deserved because they are highly skilled and well trained. However, some of the complaints are disingenuous e.g. the "juniors only earn £22k". Well, yes and the next year it jumps up to £28k, not bad for someone brand new to any profession!

My sister is 30 and a GP and certainly doesn't earn £98k. Far far from it.

No GP's earn £98k at 26. And 26 they are barely fully qualified as a GP

She is, why would I make that up

There's a shortage here, for all I know she's still training on the job. But her mum is one of my closest friends and she's definitely still 26 and earning just under 100k.

A 24 year old cannot be a GP. After leaving school at 18 a doctor trains for 5 or 6 years at medical school, then 2 years' foundation training, then the GPS vocational training scheme takes 3 years. So, the youngest a GP could be is 28.

Fully qualified salaried GPs earn an annual salary of £7-10k per half day session in areas of the country I'm familiar with. So a 3 day, 6 session working week would be £42k to £60k approximately.

A GP could potentially earn significantly more than this as a partner in a successful practice or by doing locum work, although this has less security, less predictability and extra admin.

P.S. how old are some of the FY2s? You could be as young as your mid-twenties and earning over the national average salary!

so to be clear how much do your friends earn and how many hours a week do they work

in plain English please

She is, why would I make that up

Yet several people have explained how it is not possible!

Bullcrap. You cant be a GP at 26. Unless of course she was a child genius who went to med school when she was 14. If anyone wants a job that can easily takeover your life so you work 7 days a week, then feel free to become a GP. It cant be that cushy seeing as GP's are leaving the nhs and its hard to recruit for permanent salaried or partner roles.

Yes, 26 not 24. Apologies if no one read that.

So do you think your friends would be happier to be paid more or be paid the same with a more manageable work load?

Two very different solutions.