To have zero sympathy for this woman

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The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284

People who rely on benefits are never going to benefit from a Tory government! It isn't rocket science and she should have known that when she voted. It is very sad though.

Moving I find there's a disconnect between the idea that people have no sympathy for this women because she didn't have sympathy for others.

Isn't it a sort of poetic justice? Or a 'punishment fits the crime' type thing?

It's not just a random thing happening - it's not as if (for eg.) one of her children is seriously ill and we're all saying "I dont care, she didn't care about others". She actually contributed to this specific thing happening by voting for it to happen to others!

YANBU.

I don't feel sorry for her, I do feel sorry for her children though.

She said:

'I am a very political minded member of the public and I feel let down. In my lifetime I do not feel my government has worked to help me.'

So saying she was naïve isn't going to cut it for me. She is a selfish person, only out for herself. I don't have pity for someone who is in favour of cuts to the most vulnerable members of society, as long as it doesn't affect them.

Needs, all the articles I've read say she's my making any money from the business so no actual income.

But it's all somebody else's fault, in this case the government for cutting benefits.

She could easily stop the SE business that makes nothing and take on a job which would earn more than the benefit cuts. Easy to blame others than look at the root cause.

She probably voted Tory last time too, and helped pave the way for Universal Credit. Conditionality will hurt her and her business / income even more than the tax credit cuts.

Needsasock it's worth considering that David Cameron DOESNT WANT single parents to work. Why? Because it costs more to keep a single parent on a crap wage in work than it does unemployed.

Tax credits costs are largely around childcare costs and of course the more hours you work the more childcare you pay, thus claiming more tax credits and costing the government more.

There is also a '30 hour element' with tax credits so single parents essentially receive a. bonus to encourage them to work full time.

People don't realise all this.

Cookie you did not respond to my post where I explained that she is in no way typical of a tax credit claimant. Most are in paid employment.

"I can only assume that she thought the preceding cuts to disadvantaged groups was ok. Because she was't included"

I agree There is no way she couldnt have known because we live in the digital age.

This isnt 1987

If that was the case he could have the age to which lone parents can claim income support raised to pre-2010 levels. It is cheaper, I agree. Instead, lone parents are being sanctioned.

Needsasock it's worth considering that David Cameron DOESNT WANT single parents to work. Why? Because it costs more to keep a single parent on a crap wage in work than it does unemployed.

Tax credits costs are largely around childcare costs and of course the more hours you work the more childcare you pay, thus claiming more tax credits and costing the government more.

There is also a '30 hour element' with tax credits so single parents essentially receive a. bonus to encourage them to work full time.

People don't realise all this.

i get what your saying yes it is more epensive but when i was on JSA single parents had to sign on weekly,while anybody else was every 2 weeks

there was a huge push on single parents to work

Posted too soon. Which is even cheaper than paying JSA. And much more DC's style.

She could easily stop the SE business that makes nothing and take on a job which would earn more than the benefit cuts. Easy to blame others than look at the root cause.

Dorrell has said she is earning around £150pw (no idea if this is net or gross) which is being put back into the business. Which is how small businesses grow. I don't know if it is a new start up and how much the supplies cost. She said she did a course, so the cost of that comes out of any income. Dorrell guesses that the Tax Credits cuts are going to hurt her business badly as the people she is serving are in receipt of TC's and they won't have the spare to pay for her service.

Dorrell and her 4 children are living on £400pw TC's and maintenance. How much do you think childcare for 4 children would cost the Tax Credits system if she was out in PAYE employment? You are being little short sighted there cookie don't you think?

there was a huge push on single parents to work

Or there was a huge push on punishing single parents for being, well you know, feckless and the scum of the earth. According to millionaire pig fuckers.

If that was the case he could have the age to which lone parents can claim income support raised to pre-2010 levels. It is cheaper, I agree. Instead, lone parents are being sanctioned.

I'm glad some people are finally seeing through the numbers and the rhetoric. To get a glimpse at the ideology. They've lowered the age single parents go from IS to JSA to youngest being age 3 from 2017.

"there was a huge push on single parents to work"

Or maybe a huge push to get them off JSA (not necessarily into work, just out of the figures).

Interesting Pyjama, but if that's the case. Then I have to wonder why is it almost every time the this government opens their mouths. It's to gleefully announce that the cut off age for lone parents to receive I.S and move on to JSA. Is getting lower. So if he doesn't want lone parents in working. He has the remedy in his own hands, put the age back to 16 and stop fucking hounding lone parents into often very unsuitably mastched to their circumstances.

We all got what people like her voted for..

Agree with that.

Everything was ok in her world until these cuts started to affect her. She was ok with them affecting other people. Do I feel sorry for her? A little. She's learned the hard way and very publicly now. But I feel sorry for her kids a lot more.

And I can't believe how anyone didn't see this coming. They are the Tories FFS! Party of the rich and to hell to anyone else. They won't be happy till they've done away with Welfare state and brought back the work houses.

'I am a very political minded member of the public and I feel let down. In my lifetime I do not feel my government has worked to help me"

So she knew what she was doing and like i said before we live in a digital age so a quick Google would have told her anything she needed to know.

I feel sorry for her DC. As i always have done for anyone hit by these policies. But it doesnt sound like she did.

YY Know it all.

An example of what she and others voted for.
From another thread.

IrianofWay Wed 14-Oct-15 10:15:54
shakey - the jobcentre is a whole other heap of misery! He applied for jobseekers allowance about 3 months ago. Was told he'd get Universal credit. Went for various interviews with a 'work coach' and eventually told to sign a contract agreeing to do some work experience at a factory. If he didn't sign he wouldn't get any money - later found out that the factory was 10 miles away, too far to walk or cycle and as his 12 hour shifts started at 6am there was no public transport. When he told his 'work coach' this they told him that he just had to get there or he'd lose his money - they suggested a car share. Who with? So H and I took turns last week to get up at 5am and take him. He spent his day waiting around while they tried to find him something to do and then throwing waste food in a big skip. God knows he better get this apprenticeship ! I can't face another week of 5 am starts!!

I've always maintained that this bunch of sociopaths would like to turn NHS hospitals into workhouses. Win win.

Well lone parents can go on jsa which is even less than income support then they can be sanctioned lots under the new benefit rules.

Whatamess
Yes, I got that you thought it was a mistake. But having read the interview in the Telegraph and Daily Mail (feeling a bit squalid now) she didn't think she was making a mistake. She voted in her own interests. I have to accept that a lot of people do that - I found the day after the election extremely upsetting (despite being a family that would probably be better off under this government financially. But I would rather lick a shit lolly than vote for them.
I have a son with autism who has just reached 18. I fear for his future under this government.

And this woman was happy to make sure that she voted to make her life better and my son's more shit.
I do feel a bit sorry for her on a personal level. But as a general rule, I think anyone who voted for this tory scum deserve everything they get. I save my pity for those that are suffering and didn't vote for them.
Kudos to her for going on national telly, however, and owning up to voting for them.

The government have changed how tax credits are calculated for self employed people. You can't just invest it back into the business, declare no profit and then claim full tax credits. Now you have to work 16 hours as a single parent and pay yourself at least minimum wage and if you don't then you don't qualify for tax credits - it assumes the business is profitable. This is to stop some people who are working a loophole in the system where you are self employed but don't make a profit and get full tax credits. There is a period where you can get tax credits if you start a new business so you have a year or something to make the business profitable. This woman will also be hit by the income disregard for tax credits which has decreased.

It wasn't all that long ago (50 years maybe), that it was so shameful to be a single parent that babies were given up for adoption. I'm not suggesting that we will go back to this ever but there are some very conservative thinkers who would like this.

In the 80's and 90's being a single parent even in work would have been very tough, tougher than it is now.

Single parents these days are getting too big for their boots, some actually have luxuries like a holiday and running a car, it is going back to the way it was in the 80's.