Page 5 | To have zero sympathy for this woman

wasonthelist · 2015-10-16T12:25:27+00:00

The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows. [[http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284]]

KatharineClifton · 16/10/2015 15:32

YANBU

No sympathy.

Where did people think £12 billion in cuts (which the Tories did promise) was going to come from - Trident?

Exactly. They weren't coming from pensioners benefits because they are voters. They weren't coming from out of work people's benefits as they're already cut to the bone.

They had to come from Tax Credits. I can't even imagine how ignorant you'd have to be not to have known really.

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wasonthelist · 16/10/2015 15:33

I'd be interested in knowing whether she plans to vote for someone else next time.

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Badders123 · 16/10/2015 15:34

Vampire economics isn't it?
It's mainly the older generation and well off who vote Tory. Porky promised them the world...rise.in pensions, no cuts to winter fuel allowance, bus passes etc
They have sd the younger generation - their children and grandchildren -Down the river.
I hope they enjoyed their free university education. And a working nhs. And final salary pensions.
Because the rest of us are fucked.

yorkshapudding · 16/10/2015 15:35

People saying that she was "happy" for others to live in poverty, didn't care about other peoples children having nothing etc...Do you really believe that the majority of Tory voters, including this woman, went to the polls rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of fucking over the poor and disabled? I don't believe that and I'm a Labour supporter. Is it not more likely that she was just naive? Or possibly not very bright? Maybe even deluded? None of those things mean she deserves to lie awake at night worrying about how she's going to feed her kids.

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wasonthelist · 16/10/2015 15:35

BTW that is - I am actually interested to know, and NOTHING else - I am not, as the vernacular has it "hating on her"

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Cloppysow · 16/10/2015 15:36

I feel sorry for her. Despite knowing what the tories are all about, their election campaign was built on being the party that represents the working family, so it's not horribly far fetched to believe that she might have been out of the firing line. They played a good game with the benefit scroungers and immigrants/europe benefits thing too. I can see why a Tory voter would fall for it.

I'm in her position, except i didn't vote Tory. I'm exactly the kind of 'aspirational' hard working family they spoke about. I spent two years studying full time working and raising 2 kids alone. I now work full time, study part time and next year stand to lose over £2k in tax credits. I'll be worse off than when i was a student. I'll still be paying off my student loan at the same rate, despite being worse off, because its salary based and doesn't take TC into account. I consider myself one of the lucky ones though, because i'm not on minimum wage and with lots of cut backs we'll make ends meet. That's make ends meet and worry about money again week to week, a position i thought i was out of a few years ago.

What i don't understand is why we aren't all taking to the streets. How much can people take before they start collectively saying no.

Jaxsbum · 16/10/2015 15:36

I am suprused that any one is shocked about a cut to tax credits, they said they were going to cut benefits

JackSkellington · 16/10/2015 15:37

I genuinely don't know... YANBU if that's how you feel. At the very least, she must have been very naïve in thinking the Tories care about her and people in similar situations.

Badders123 · 16/10/2015 15:38

But York...that's going to happen.
Kids will go.hungry.
In the UK
In 2015.

Badders123 · 16/10/2015 15:40

Remember the full page add in the papers in 2010?
I will not cut child benefit. It is a universal benefit and will remain that way.
Yeah.....right.
The nhs is safe with me...
I could.go.on

KatharineClifton · 16/10/2015 15:40

I do though appreciate her going on QT and asking the question.

mollie123 · 16/10/2015 15:42

according to the Mail (sorry )
she has 4 children and is a nail bar owner (self-employed?) and currently receives circa £400 per week in benefits (is this possible - or are they counting HB and CB as well as tax credits)

MoriartyIsMyAngel · 16/10/2015 15:45

Well, when the budget was read out I did say some of the turkeys who voted for Christmas would get a shock when they realized it. I didn't take any pleasure from watching her, but she is one of the people who helped us into this very situation. Wanting the Tories to go after benefits claimants and then getting upset at the bombshell news that they actually are considered benefits claimants.

I don't recall the Tories saying that tax credits were safe, and I do remember more savvy posters than me speculating before the election that some of the huge amount the Tories wanted to cut from the benefits bill would have to come from tax credits.

Ultimately, if you're going to vote for a party that is full of the rich and privileged, and doesn't even bother to hide the fact that their priority is in looking after the rich and the privileged over anyone else, it's sensible to make sure you're not vulnerable in anyway first.

I do hope more people like her come forward - there is time for Gideon to announce some kind of buffer, but unless there is a very noticeable public outcry - why would they bother?

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 16/10/2015 15:53

She was okay with other peoples' benefits being cut

This. The Tories may have said they wouldn't cut tax credits but so? They have been aiming to replace tax credits with universal credit anyway and that will definitely reduce everyone's payments - that's the bloody stated aim of universal credit. Anyone on a low income who voted Tory is a fool or possibly just ignorant

LieselVonTwat · 16/10/2015 15:54

I'd imagine they include HB and CB too, they are benefits after all. Yes mollie you can indeed get £400 a week, when you have several children. The CB alone would be £60, I think the max CTC for 4 is about £220 but suspect she doesn't get all of that, since if she did her income would be low enough that she'd get more than £20 a week HB, iyswim.

LieselVonTwat · 16/10/2015 15:55

£120 even.

Sallystyle · 16/10/2015 15:55

What a disgusting, spiteful thing to say

Well, I think it is disgusting that my husband who is disabled has to face cuts through no fault of his own. I think it might even be spiteful to vote for someone who you know is going to take money from the disabled and poor.

The more I think about it the more angry I become.

She was happy for my family and other's like it to lose money but now it has happened to her she's all upset?

Where was her sympathy for others?

And yes, he kids will suffer. Like a lot of ours. That really sucks but she didn't care before.

I feel sorry for her children. I am not happy that she is struggling but I think it is hypocritical to not give a shit when the disabled lose out but then care when it's your family struggling. My sympathy lies with the children.

StormyBlue · 16/10/2015 15:56

People saying that she was "happy" for others to live in poverty, didn't care about other peoples children having nothing etc...Do you really believe that the majority of Tory voters, including this woman, went to the polls rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of fucking over the poor and disabled?

Not with glee, she wasn't a caricature villain, but she would have known full well that the Tories were going to be making big cuts to people's benefits, cuts that would bring her to tears if they were inflicted upon her own family. Some reasoning in her head caused her to dismiss that - worse, actively vote for it - because she thought it wouldn't apply to her. Maybe she was naive and she will feel differently about how she votes in future, but you must understand why people are feeling frustrated, as well as sympathetic?

Alfieisnoisy · 16/10/2015 15:58

She has found out the hard way that the Tories don't give a shit about people in her position. There are many other like her.

And no o don't especially feel sorry for her. She voted Tory knowing they would go after the poorest in society. Sadly she has discovered that this means her as well.

HopeClearwater · 16/10/2015 15:59

David Cameron really is a giant arse clinker and so are those who voted for him.

^This

HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 16/10/2015 16:00

I think, if you want a Labour government next time, you need to bring people like her into the fold. Not alienate them.

Florriesma · 16/10/2015 16:02

Agree with alfie
I think there will have been a lot who swallowed the tory rhetoric and have forgotten the 80's.

I feel sorry for her and countless others who have voted this lot in only to realise too late that the fox has been let off the leash in the henhouse.it's a hArd lesson to learn.

bungmean · 16/10/2015 16:07

I feel dreadfully sorry for her - having money worries like this can be utterly awful.

It doesn't matter who she voted for last election. She's a human being in a pickle.

I hate the Tory party and everything they stand for, but I hope this person gets some breathing space and help.

elementofsurprise · 16/10/2015 16:09

I feel sorry for her children - and anyone else suffering through no fault of their own. And ultimately I wish this wasn't happening to her or anyone.

But as PP have said she was quite happy to vote for the party who drive disabled people to suicide, so, she is reaping what she sowed, tbh.

Badders123 · 16/10/2015 16:13

I mocked the lib.dems when in coalition but I see.now that they actually stoped ago.of what the Tories wanted.to.do
I.think.history might judge them more kong sky than we do now
By the end of this.parliament.anyway.