To have zero sympathy for this woman

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The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284

I have sympathy - I'm in the same boat (didn't vote tory though)

BUT I do dispute the idea that TC cuts came from out of the blue - it was widely discussed pre election when they tories repeatedly refused to say what benefits would be cut - most of us saw it coming

which is why it's worth following the news and looking carefully at the party you want to vote for

Am I the only person not shocked by the cuts to tax credits?

So many people here seem to be shocked it happened. Where did people think the cuts were coming from?

I do have sympathy for her as clearly she is struggling. But equally I agree that, as a Tory voter, she was quite happy for someone's benefits to be cut.

She's obviously bought into the rhetoric of rich pensioners/disabled scrounges that the Tory party and media have built so successfully - she didn't see herself as a benefits claimant because she also works.

And in defence of the OP, I saw loads of people on mn spouting 'don't come crying if you voted Tory and end up in the shit' etc. Pre-emptively gloating.

If she is gloating not sure why it's an issue now, when in May it was fine

Rapier thrust, broken. I concede.

Did David Cameron say he wouldn't cut tax credits? Did he really? Can anyone provide a link? Or did he say something like, (to quote the Mirror) they wouldn't cut tax credits 'for the poorest working people', which is something quite different.

Labour, on the other hand, did go on and on that people should vote for them if they want to keep their tax credits, which should have prompted less seasoned political observers to think very carefully.

yabu

shame on you, to gloat at a struggling woman

shame on you

I live in Scotland, where you'd have been hard pressed to find anyone willing to admit to voting Tory for generations.

So perhaps that's colouring my perceptions, although I think the last election results tend to bear out that there's not a plethora of stelth Tory voters tucked away up here ...

But my knee jerk reaction to this sort of story is, "well, what did she expect??? She voted Tory!"

But perhaps she hails from an area of the country or a family where Tory voting is much more "normal", so this has genuinely come as a shock to her.

FFS I am NOT back-pedalling. I posted a questiin in AIBU about and opinion I have. That is all. I may have been a bit daft, but I was trying to find out what other people thought.

I didn't expect to be called a dick and "....like a cunt..." (neatly avoiding personal abuse ha) but they are opinions. The point I've been trying to make is that all sorts of extra stuff has been added to what I asked - none of which was what I said or asked.

Back-pedalling would be something like "oooo yes you're right I am a cunt and I apologise for ever thinkinv as I did"

YANBU.

She was fine with benefit cuts that didn't affect her.

I think both sides have points here. Yes, this woman was fine with other people's benefits being cut, yes she knew that the Tories were going to cut £12 bn from the benefits budget and didn't think it would effect her, because that's what they said, or appeared to say in slimy politicians speak.

What Cameron said is that Child benefit and WTC wouldn't fall. They won't fall, what will change is who is eligible for how much, see totally different thing to cutting.

So you need to have an empathy, most people vote for who they think they are better off with, and too many people don't understand enough about economics to be able to disassemble the Tories blame Labour rhetoric.

It is fairly shameful that Labour voters who claim to care about people are crowing over this, these people are the ones who we want to steer away from the Tories in 2020.

I think though there will be much similar wailing and gnashing of teeth on MN in the next few years when people start to realise that this how much this government will cut, or start to charge for, or privatise pubic assets.

Schadenfraude is possiby the least attractive emotion btw!

broken to be fair, that old refrain"your vote only counts if it is red or blue" is part of the problem. The two main parties know they have a stranglehold, so nothing much changes.

When people do start voting for alternatives the political landscape does change. Look at the impact Podemos are having in Spain. and whether or not you like the SNP or Plaid, you can't deny that they have had an impact on how their countries are governed and what policies are implemented there.

Lack of sympathy is not equal to gloating. At least not in my dictionary. I am not gloating, just not sympathetic. Not the same thing.

lostincumbria, hahaha that's funny

I felt a bit sorry for her as she was agitated and distressed. And of course the Tories didn't say specifically they'd be cutting tax credits. But cutting welfare is what they do. Just like raising taxes is what Labour do. So if I voted Labour and they raised inheritance tax or stamp duty would it surprise me. No it wouldn't even though they didn't specifically say they were going to.

I feel sorry for her and anybody else in her position, but agree she must have had her head in the sand.
I'm not the most politically astute person and don't follow most of the news but it was no shock, well reported and it doesn't take brains of Britain to know what Conservative governments stand for.
The next outpouring will be the working mums unable to work because of childcare policies. Tories don't like women working and won't support it at all, along with single mums.
I say mums because they are misogynistic and usually support men in work.

I do have some sympathy for her, but she was very naive to think she would be immune from the cuts.
DC's wording regarding cuts to tax credits was very vague to say the least. As others have said, where else could the 12 billion come from.

What a disgusting, spiteful thing to say. She has children who will likely get fuck all for Christmas. Remember your gloating when you or your kids are unwrapping present. You may not have the same political viewpoint but she is a human being. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm in two minds about this, my mate who has Spina Bifida voted for the Tory's and he got sent a PIP reassessment letter the other day which he seemed surprised about.

She voted to have other people reduced to poverty, hunger and desperation in order to maintain her own level of comfort. She thought someone else was going to take the fall and she'd be alright. I'm not gloating at all, but I'm not very sympathetic either. She was happy to see it happen to someone else.

YANBU and neither are you gloating. £12 bn worth of cuts promised and as pensioners are excluded, then who was left? Anyway,I hope she's squeky clean because certain parts of the press the DM will be all over her life as we post. This is only the start of the ticking time bomb of tax credits cuts - what with that and the EU refendendum debacle there is much to come in the next few months

I'm really sorry she's in this position, and even more sorry for her kids who didn't vote for anyone.

I do have issues though with the idea that cutting benefits is fine until it's yours that go. She must have been aware that people were going to be in this position.

Lots of children will get very little/nothing for Christmas this year Defender - and continue on into the New Year in poverty too. This woman was one of those who voted for these changes, presumably on the basis that they'd hurt someone else. And it id "disgusting" to feel no sympathy for her? Fine then, I'm disgusting. But not a hypocrite, at least in this instance.