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To have zero sympathy for this woman

836 replies

wasonthelist · 16/10/2015 13:25

The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284

OP posts:
Peregrina · 21/10/2015 14:55

Going by the Guardian article, Cameron and Osborne have been rumbled. If they'd put it in their manifesto or a finance bill the Lords would have had to wave it through; now they don't.

It wouldn't have made a ha'porth of difference if they had put it in the manifesto because people would still have voted for them - those people who did, of course.

waitforrose · 21/10/2015 15:08

When she voted Conservative, did she consider all the other people who'd already had huge cuts? Mentally ill, disabled etc? The people who were told they had to work and then died within a fortnight?

There are loads of cases of this austerity. The Tories make voters think they are only going after the cheats but all evidence suggests the middle classes/hard-working class have been and will increasingly be hit harder and harder in the future.

The Tories ONLY look after the cheats at the top of the pile.

Grazia1984 · 21/10/2015 15:46

Yes, the cuts preserve the welfare state and protect the poor. Spending too much means a destruction of the welfare state and no way to care for the less well off. Hence a Tory vote is a compassionate caring vote. That is one main reason the Tories won in the election as the British people know these simple basic points.

longtimelurker101 · 21/10/2015 15:57

"yes, the cuts preserve the welfare state and protect the poor. Spending too much means a destruction of the welfare state and no way to care for the less well off. Hence a Tory vote is a compassionate caring vote. That is one main reason the Tories won in the election as the British people know these simple basic points."

...and War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

Peregrina · 21/10/2015 16:51

That is one main reason the Tories won in the election as the British people know these simple basic points.

No, the Tories won because

  1. Cameron lied about the Working Tax Credit.
  2. Then they put the fear of God into people about UKIP/SNP/Labour (take your pick), so many played safe and went for the devil they knew. After all the Tories had promised to hit benefit scroungers and that wasn't them was it?
  3. The Lib Dems blew it by going into Coalition with the Tories - many people in the south and west vote Lib Dems to keep the Tories out, not put them in.

BTW Grazia - I know you take nothing out of society, so if your house caught fire you wouldn't bother calling the fire brigade? You would get your friends to rally round with hoses and buckets, perhaps? This is how it used to be after all - you can still see old houses which have a plaque on them saying that they had paid their dues to whichever fire service operated in the area.

squidzin · 21/10/2015 16:58

Grazias beloved Tory party are making a monumental mess out of all of this.

SilverDragonfly1 · 21/10/2015 17:00

longtimelurker If the person saying something nice was me, I wasn't being sarcastic!

The question on my mind now is, if the TC cuts are softened, bridged or axed- are the people making a fuss now (NOT posters on here, I mean people in the 'real world') going to settle back into their apathy and forget all this happened long before the next election? I have a very strong premonition that they will vanish like the mist as soon as they are feeling secure again.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 21/10/2015 17:04

I wonder which vulnerable poor people they are protecting.

Given that these cuts effect carers and disabled people

PigletJohn · 21/10/2015 17:20

the government has to tighten up on the poor in order to subsidise the crooked needy financial services industry. Where else could the money come from?

www.bankofengland.co.uk/financialstability/Documents/fpc/fspapers/fs_paper15.pdf

positivemoney.org/issues/subsidising-banks/

www.theguardian.com/business/2013/dec/17/uk-banks-benefit-from-massive-state-subsidies

Original poster
wasonthelist · 21/10/2015 17:29

Grazia if you voted Tory out of crazy belief it was the best way of looking after poor and sick people, you're in a minority even more tiny than the tiny minority that elected the Tories.

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HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 21/10/2015 17:33

Speaking of "the tiny minority that elected the Tories," does anyone know who the last prime minister was to have a majority of adult population votes? This comes up a lot, and I am just pondering whether it was ever thus.

Peregrina · 21/10/2015 17:38

The last party to get an absolute majority was the Tories in 1931

The world has changed a bit in 84 years.

expatinscotland · 21/10/2015 17:39

'BTW Grazia - I know you take nothing out of society,'

Yes, she drinks water from a private well, never uses roads or any form of transport, lives completely off grid with regard to power, gas, sewage (and none of the services she uses for these use roads). I forgot! Living in a peaceful society with a stable government that means she can go about her business largely unmolested. Taxes don't pay for any of that, of course, it's all given to people who are feckless.

Peregrina · 21/10/2015 17:39

That should have said Stanley Baldwin too.

MissMarpleCat · 21/10/2015 17:42

Grazia lives in utopia, the rest of us plebs live in dystopia.

suzannecaravaggio · 21/10/2015 18:15

I thought Grazia lived in The Meritocracy
in which she has achieved high status through working hard and working smart

HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 21/10/2015 18:29

Thanks Peregrina. I suppose this is due to low voter turnout.

mollie123 · 21/10/2015 18:34

not due to low turnout at all
if you look back over any elections inb the last 25 years - no party has every had a majority of the votes - even Blair in his landslide victory in 1997 only managed about 40%
as long as there is FPTP - it is extremely unlikely that any party will get a majority of the votes - I do wish this Conservatives did not have a majority of the electorate was finally laid to rest - it is becoming tedious

ssd · 21/10/2015 19:27

nah, Grazia lives on an island Grin

or she used to

longtimelurker101 · 21/10/2015 20:28

she owned it no?

Grazia1984 · 21/10/2015 20:57

I have never said I take nothing from society. Debate issues but don't twist words. I have always said I support a reduced welfare state too as plenty of Tories do.

I am not the only Tory in Engfland who voted for the Conservatives and is pleased with their work. The left can con themselves into thinking this is so if they like but it's wrong. And if they are not careful the Tories will win again in 5 years' time.

longtimelurker101 · 21/10/2015 21:03

Actually Grazia you said repeatedly " I pay loads in and get nothing back."

Which is what people have issue with.

If the tories aren't careful there will be another '97 in 5 years time..

PigletJohn · 21/10/2015 21:04

"I have paid a lot into the system and will get nothing back for it other than the gratitude of the poor of course who kiss my feet at every turn."

but

"I have never said I take nothing from society"

I wonder what "will get nothing back for it" means.

squidzin · 21/10/2015 21:15

Another '97 is inevitable.

This tax credits fiasco proves their incompetence, their willingness to lie to gain votes, and their blind disconnected priorities to them and their own.

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 21/10/2015 21:35

I really hope so squidzin

Bunch of self serving over privileged tossers.

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