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To have zero sympathy for this woman

836 replies

wasonthelist · 16/10/2015 13:25

The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284

OP posts:
ssd · 19/10/2015 21:20

that's what they are banking on, desperation.

and now on channel 4 we have a programme on just now called "Benefits", about someone that most of us will never meet, someone who you would read about and never meet as one in a million people in those circumstances actually exist, yet shes on ch4 showing how people on Benefits live and the frothers will be glued to the screens.

ssd · 19/10/2015 21:22

vivienne, how many people like that do you know then?

Ubik1 · 19/10/2015 21:23

I did 18 hours a week with a chNgjng shift pattern. I was a flexible worker. Sometime I would do four nights shifts in a row. Then go yoesrly shifts the following week.

Custardo · 19/10/2015 21:27

yeah why not a programme called
starbucks
amazon
google
facebook

?

the end result is this - the poor don't vote so why do anything for them

ssd · 19/10/2015 21:28

well the poor voted in Scotland and it sure wasn't for this lot.

ElizabethG81 · 19/10/2015 21:47

I'm one of those people on nearly £30k and receiving tax credits. If I didn't then I would not be able to afford to go to work. Childcare (for 2 pre-school children) costs me just over £1k per month, and my take home pay is approx £1700 per month. If I didn't get help from tax credits for the childcare, then I would have been much, much better off by giving up work until my children are at school. At which point I'd then probably have to return to a much lower paid job, wasting the qualifications that I have and the experience that I have in my field. With the new changes coming in, I won't be eligible for tax credits once my children are at school (and won't need them), so can presumably go back to being regarded as a useful member of society. Until then, I'll just slog my guts out protecting other people's children, and protecting the general public from those children, while being viewed by many as a benefits scrounger.

CharityBarnum · 19/10/2015 21:52

Grazia I do like that twitter link.

'Find the perfect career for your skin type' Grin

KatharineClifton · 19/10/2015 21:54

So ElizabethG81 you have £1700 per month take home pay after paying for childcare of £1k? And you still need top ups?

ElizabethG81 · 19/10/2015 21:56

No, my take home pay from my job is £1,700, then I have to pay the childcare plus everything else out of that.

HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 19/10/2015 22:32

Well, You all have definitely convinced me that there need to be some laws/regulations to stop this "on call" abuse by large organisations. It's patently unfair.

angelos02 · 19/10/2015 22:36

You must have to be loaded to have 4 children without relying on the state. 4 x private health care. 4 x private school = c120k per year.

ElizabethG81 · 19/10/2015 22:37

A lot of the lower paid jobs are a complete logistical nightmare for parents, particularly single parents. Have a search for unqualified jobs - very few offer full time hours, and shifts are often all over the place, and change every week. For a lot of retail jobs, I think they only offer part time contracts so that they have a large number of employees who they can call on to do overtime as and when the need arises. Then screw them the rest of the time.

longtimelurker101 · 19/10/2015 23:27

DS had one of these type of jobs over the summer when he was a student, there were people desperate for more shifts but unable to get them as the management wanted almost too many staff on roll to be able to call in lots for busy shifts.

He worked there the following Christmas, everyone was on full time hours, right up untill the second week in Jan, when most saw their hours fall back again, apart from the 6 full time staff out of 60 who worked in the bleeding store! Disgraceful. But thats what tax credits covers too, corporations treating staff as throwaway commodities.

Baconyum · 19/10/2015 23:52

KatharineClifton "I really don't get this thing about people claiming tax credits then not doing extra hours or over time because they lost TC's."

It's because they/we don't just lose tax credits or other benefits just that week when you're working more hours. It applies also to shift workers, temporary contracts, zero hours contracts too.

What happens is this:
A claimant reports that they're not eligible at this time for x y z.
Agency stops that benefit immediately.
Claimant is then eligible for benefit again and claims.
Depending on which benefit, are told it takes a MINIMUM of 6 weeks for that payment to be reinstated.
Reality is it can take several MONTHS for a payment to be received by a claimant.
There's no way a claimant can speed up the claim.
Claimants that are working in this situation can then find themselves in extreme financial difficulty, no money to get to work, feed themselves so they don't get too ill to work etc

"Love this, so scores of highly qualified experts and leaders of their field say that Osborne's economic plans are dangerous" economists have been saying capitalism isn't working for years. Since the crash in the 90's I think.

As others have said on this thread and others, I'd love to know how much is spent on what most people would consider luxuries in the houses of parliament. Eg subsidised bar, unnecessary expenses.

As someone who has been in receipt of benefits for almost 13 years as
Part of a working couple
Then as a lone parent at various points working/student/disabled/sick/with a sick child/as a carer

I am absolutely dreading UC coming in. Not just because of how it will be assessed, but because EVERY government EVERY time there's a change there's major cock ups! And NEVER in the favour of claimants!!

Wrt both the varying claim eligibility from week to week and uc and other changes it always astounds me how useless they are at implementing/using technology that would avoid these problems. Actually you know what short term cost would save money long term? If they would employ IT people and train people properly so there wouldn't be so many technical problems!

"to them you are not a person with your own life, rather you are an item of equipment, like a robot, they only have to pay you for the hours that they use you, the rest of the time you can be put on standby, waiting in limbo until they decide they want to use you." Exactly!

"what sort of person would actually take on a 20 hr a week job requiring full flexibility though?" Only people I can think of are young people at home with parents and no real commitments. Not suitable for parents or carers or anyone having to pay bills frankly!

"and 20 hours is quite a lot actually, I've seen jobs of 12 hrs a week requiring full flexibility...." Where I live I've seen 2 jobs in the past week with 4 hours needing flexibility! What use is 4 hours to anybody?!

"well the poor voted in Scotland and it sure wasn't for this lot." Still got bloody stuck with em though eh?!

Also these employers that view employees as robots merely there for their use will do everything they can to avoid giving employees enough hours that they're then entitled to sick pay/maternity rights/holiday pay etc. Where I live there are 2 employers near by who only offer temp contracts except to senior management. The staff then stop working for them for x amount of time (not sure what length it is to be just within the law) then they're re-employed on another temp contract. Don't blame the employees as its a very deprived high unemployment area, but the companies should not be able to do this!

Viviennemary · 20/10/2015 00:11

I heard on TV just tonight you have to be on £70K a year to live in Oxford which is now more expensive than London. They can't get bus drivers or teachers apparently. The answer is not to pay people who earn £70K a year tax credits. People in Oxford object to every planning permission for new houses. I am not in favour of people on higher wages getting tax credits. And never will be.

Baconyum · 20/10/2015 00:18

Oxford is an entity unto itself! I lived there years ago and it was horrendously expensive then! Have friends who were born and bred there and have been priced out of the entire county!

HelenaDove · 20/10/2015 00:20

"What happens is this:
A claimant reports that they're not eligible at this time for x y z.
Agency stops that benefit immediately.
Claimant is then eligible for benefit again and claims.
Depending on which benefit, are told it takes a MINIMUM of 6 weeks for that payment to be reinstated."

Yep. Friend of mine was left living on £50 a week for 2 months.

Some people dont seem to understand that extra hours offered are often intermittent and inconsistent. The system wasnt set up for the whims of shit management

PigletJohn · 20/10/2015 00:40

"They can't get bus drivers or teachers apparently"

Sure they can.

They just have to pay the market rate.

The market rate is whatever is costs to get suitable people to do the job.

There is never any difficult in paying useless idiots millions of pounds, even when they are the bosses who drive their company into collapse, or the MPs who are lobby fodder and vote the way their party tells them. The story is that you have to pay what it takes.

Equally there is no difficulty in paying farmers less than the cost of production for their milk, if that's the market rate.

And there is certainly no difficulty paying junior workers starvation wages and zero hours contracts when there are so may desperate for work that the employers can get away with it.

Are we in a capitalist market economy, or aren't we?

Baconyum · 20/10/2015 00:41

Haha! Piglet you're my kinda person!

NeedsAsockamnesty · 20/10/2015 00:47

I often find myself musing randomly about what protections will be being put into place to prevent a part time worker from being forced by UC to quit a job where they have contracted hours and have been employed long enough to qualify for certain protections in order to take up a zero hour contract because someone somewhere hinted to the DWP that it may be more hours than the one they are currently doing.

CalmYoBadSelf · 20/10/2015 01:00

PigletJohn We are in a market economy when talking about MPs, bankers or CEOs who have to be paid market rates or they will go elsewhere. Market economy mysteriously does not apply to low paid workers, teachers or anyone working for the NHS who have to lower their expectations instead

HelenaDove · 20/10/2015 01:14

YY Needs A Sock Surely that will piss off Employer no 1 who then has to start the process of finding a replacement.

Alfieisnoisy · 20/10/2015 07:46

Helena is right about what happens to benefits with a fluctuation of hours.

Our local council has more people than ever in rent arrears as a result. The system is failing as it wasn't set up for fluctuating hours. The cynic in me says it has been set up to fail.

I've seen a friend left with virtually no money as a result. He survived through the goodness of friends doing him and his cat food parcels.

One did him the odd Tesco delivery, I used to drop a meal round to him (just dished up an extra plate and covered it).

Didn't help that his much loved cat was dying at the same time and he was in turmoil.

Thankfully all now sorted.

He gets. £674 in UC.
Out of that he has to pay his rent, council tax, all utilities and feed himself.

Meanwhile some MPs are claiming obscene amounts in expenses and people who could afford not to tax dodge are doing so,

That's your benefits Britain for you. Most are NOT living it up at taxpayers expense, they are barely scraping by.

Alfieisnoisy · 20/10/2015 07:47

...and yes that's £674 a MONTH

mollie123 · 20/10/2015 08:17

^He gets. £674 in UC.
Out of that he has to pay his rent, council tax, all utilities and feed himself.^
would he not get council tax benefit and housing benefit.? genuine question

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