To have zero sympathy for this woman

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The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
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Grazia you are a fine one to talk about things getting personal when you were talking about the poor having to kiss your feet.

Could you please tell us exactly how that comment has been misinterpreted as you claim.

I didn't think I'd claimed it was misinterpreted.

If you post here the sentence before and after I can explain. It was probably a comment about paying a lot of tax and not (note the word not) expecting people to kiss my feet for working harder than they do so they can work part time when I have to work full time.

Here it is Grazia Now how the bloody hell have we misinterpreted this!

Grazia1984 Sun 18-Oct-15 15:45:06
I supporter/support 5 cyhidlren myself working full time with no contribution from their father and no child benefit and no tax credits. So my taxes are keeping a lot of peoole who choose to work shorter hours. I have paid a lot into the system and will get nothing back for it other than the gratitude of the poor of course who kiss my feet at every turn

"Of the people I know who work part time it's usually because they're working for supermarkets on zero hours contracts, they're scared to look for other jobs as they have to be 'available' for 16 hour"

I posted similar upthread about someone i know. Its this "availability" expectation that needs to stop. If you want someone to remain available then they are effectively "on call" and should be paid to reflect that as other professions and employers have to do. Why should supermarkets and retail employers get to be the special snowflakes who dont have to pay their employees for being on call which effectively stops their employees from earning more elsewhere thus keeping them on low wages.

They want it both ways .

It was obviously said in jest by Grazia. Even I can see that.

absolutely HelenaDove

my tax credits are being cut drastically next year, so I'm looking for a new job but getting full time is difficult, so I went back to my old workplace and they have a 20 hour position available, which I thought would be great as I do 20 hours just now and that would make me the equivalent of full time money, doing both jobs. But the second job wants me to be flexible over 7 days, which means leaving my current job, which isnt gaining me anything.

most people think oh just get another job when they read about the cuts but they obviously dont know how difficult this can be.

ssd - keep an eye on the news around the 26th October. If this 'fatal motion' is employed I think we'll find out then. I've got my fingers crossed that Labour/Lib Dems can stop the tax credit cuts from happening.

Its true that the corporations want it both ways, they want low levels of corporation tax to make it more worth while investing, they want subsidies to invest and tax breaks as well.

They also want an educated work force, a healthy workforce and a work force with the ability to come to and from work.

Yet they avoid taxes and hand many workers poor contracts with very few benefits attached (see the ASDA workers on 0 hours contracts who the firm claimed were only entitled to the basic number of holidays from their contracts not what they actually ).

worked, bah)

Thanks for the quote. I said the poor kiss my feet at every turn because I work almost 7 days a week to keep them ( have had a week holiday in the last 12 months).

For those who took it seriously the poor do not actually kiss my feet. My feet are here under my desk with thick tights. Toe kissing, sucking and the like tends more to be a sex thing. I don't write about sex or my charitable works on line - I have very strict rules on that so we shall have to draw a veil.... although this is coming to mind - Sarah Ferguson toe sucking thing

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Am liking this my daughter sent me though... get all your men reading it twitter.com/manwhohasitall

"Oh it was only in jest" Really? Substitute the word poor for black or gay and quite rightly there would be outrage and nobody would be saying "oh it was only a joke"

It proves that people lower down the socio economic scale are a nice safe little prejudice.

they have a 20 hour position available, which I thought would be great as I do 20 hours just now and that would make me the equivalent of full time money, doing both jobs. But the second job wants me to be flexible over 7 days

to them you are not a person with your own life, rather you are an item of equipment, like a robot, they only have to pay you for the hours that they use you, the rest of the time you can be put on standby, waiting in limbo until they decide they want to use you.

For those who took it seriously the poor do not actually kiss my feet
you really are on a different planet to the rest of us poor peasants arent you Grazia

Needs a sock thats ridiculous

I should imagine several employers wont like it though And that might be enough for a U turn.

"I said the poor kiss my feet at every turn because I work almost 7 days a week to keep them "

No. Grazia, you work to make money for yourself.

It was a rather offensive joke.

Agree she's on another planet.

Perhaps you should take a week or two off, enjoy all your money.

Having more money does not make you a better person as much as you try to convince yourself that it does.

The biggest problem isn't getting a job - it's getting the hours.

Aww spare Grazia a heart, I genuinely think she was being flippant. Especially spare her a heart because for all her hard work and smug superiority, she can't afford to live where I do, in the style I do, leave her alone in her zone 4 hell hole.

what sort of person would actually take on a 20 hr a week job requiring full flexibility though? someone who wants a job now and then? it wouldnt fit a student as they arent available sometimes and surely it wouldnt fit an older person as they'd want to plan their week for when they were off? who could actually plan their life around 20 hours a week?

They are the hours offered to many folk though. Generally need to be flexible too cause they're shift work

and 20 hours is quite a lot actually, I've seen jobs of 12 hrs a week requiring full flexibility....meaning you may be 12 hrs this week spread over 7 days then 15 hours next week over 7 days then 37 hrs the next week over 7 days then back to 12 hrs the next week over 7 days..

...who the hell could live with this?

then you have people saying oh I'm glad the cuts are happening, make the lazy sods get another job and you think but how???

I know a couple of people who've taken on zero hours because it was all that they could get at that moment and they were desperate for work.

At my work I have to be available for every shift (bar the ones I say I can't do in advance for medical appointments and the like) and we get our shifts around a week in advance. Seems to work ok.

But I don't need child-care so that's not a factor.

It looks as if a u turn is on the cards. Which I think is fair for lower paid workers. But I still object to people on £30k plus getting tax credits whether or not they live in Mayfair and couldn't possibly live anywhere else because of things like schools and family support or nearness to work.