To have zero sympathy for this woman

[wasonthelist]

The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284

Frankly I'd be very interested to know (and I know this isn't possible) how Grazia's bin men/street cleaners/the retail staff that serve her/NHS staff that treat her or her dc/teachers of her dc/council staff that administrate her life and surroundings etc would feel about/treat her if they knew her views? Many of whom will be or have been in receipt of benefits

Yes because it's quite possible that some of them will only work part time and would be quite surprised/insulted she thinks so little of them and that they should be working many more hours than they do.

Actually I rather think several of them might refuse to serve her at all! Then she really would be 'self sufficient' as she claims! Yy to the 5 children that must have been born and raised without ANY support or input from NHS/teachers/childcare etc

does Grazia also not benefit from property rights, the rule of law, a stable political system, relative lack of corruption etc etc

Yes they can't have seen a single midwife (working full or part time) before or after their births.

Surely Grazia pays for all healthcare and her children are privately educated? I'd be shocked if this wasn't the case. I hope wherever Grazia and her children go she pays full rate for all children. A child rate is a subsidy and really not cricket!

To be fair, Grazia's five were privately educated and she has supported three through university and enabled them to buy property and / or given them a job in the family firm.

But she preaches independence but there is this cognitive dissonance...

I think Grazia benefits a great deal from the system of laws and courts provided by the tax-paying citizens.

I love that Paul Piff study, the interesting thing about it is that despite blatant adventages being given to some monopoly players, when questioned on their success they put it down to their hard work and skill.

There won't be any answers to these questions - just an unrelated imperious pronouncement at some point; don't be goaded (note to self - don't take the bait).

I don't know how long some of you have been here but Grazia has been posting for ages, under different names and always the same stuff..

I'm just playing wasonthelist, I'm aware of her posting history.

Thank you for posting your OP, I immediately thought serves you right when I saw the video, but thanks to lots of pp and further thought I changed my mind. Doesn't happen often mind

So doesn't even have the courage of her convictions even when anonymous?!

IIRC, at least a few of Grazia's 5 children are adults, and she has not been a single parent for that long. The "single mum working full time and bringing up 5 children without claiming a penny" is disingenuous considering she had a partner for most of the time. As far as I know (and I'm sure she'll correct me if I'm wrong), she has never been a single full time working mother of pre-school children, or even of older children who still require childcare. Also, is she's ever used NHS services for those 5 children then she can fuck right off.

What do people think of Frank Field's suggestion that he is going to put to the Tories this week? He's suggesting not reducing the earnings threshold to £3,850, leaving the taper rate at 41% for earnings between £6,420 and £13,100, then increasing the taper rate to 65% for earnings over this amount. He suggests that this would make the same savings that the current plans would make, but would reduce the impact on the lowest earners. It would personally leave me even worse off, but I've not had chance to calculate other scenarios yet. How would it affect others here personally?

KatharineClifton
Er, you are more than welcome.

I did wonder what I'd done, after the first few responses were calling me a cunt and dick etc, but thankfully we've managed a bit more of an articulate debate (BTW I don't mind being called a cunt and a dick etc - I didn't report the post that got removed).

I know I should have a tiny bit of sympathy for QT woman - but I am still struggling.

I 100% know I am lucky not to need tax credits etc, but I really struggle to see how what (as we now know) may or may not happen to her tax credits is anyone's fault but hers.

Precisely because I know that there but for the grace of God go I; I didn't vote for this vicious government full of blind ideologues.

It's not as if we are a long way from the election and things have changed - I can't see past the idea that it must've been pretty clear what she was voting for. I'm unwilling to do as some on here suggest and write her off as thick/stupid/silly either.

Yes I do recall the start of your thread. You were roasted on pitch fork.
They must have been Dave and Gideon's BFFs or if you prefer Tory Cunts. lovers

Thing is, I am still not 100% sure what I was being slagged for in some cases. In quite a few cases it was for stuff like "vilifying" QT woman - which I didn't.

I have never said I don't support the welfare state. I just want the state in general halved in size and more responsibilities put on individuals for their own good. I do not want to be rid of all tax. I think a 20% tax rate for me and everyone else would be fair and mean we do our bit.

As for what people who do things for me thnk of me and the people I do think of me that's getting a bit personal.I suspect my cleaner supports my general work for yourself view piont as like me she works hard and her son is doign the same LPC course mym daughters did. I see that as London at its best - immigrant muslims prepared to work very hard indeed and my son who is currently a post man engaging in social mobility downwards to make space for those rising up. I think it's brilliant although I'd rather he had picked a better paid job. Yes, I've used the NHS. My father was and my brother is an NHS consultant. I don't favour abolition of the NHS nor dismantling of a basic welfare state. I just want it smaller and with lower taxes for all. However that is pie in the sky whilst the defiict is so high, never mind the national debt. We waste a small fortune on paying interest even at current low rates of interest on every man woman and child in the UK at present.

Yes the children have never used state schools and I fully funded the older ones at university (no loans) but we do use the NHS. I haven't had to use a doctor though except once, in the last 10 years and that in part is because I am not fat and eat only healthy foods and don't drink or smoke (and obviously some luck too). We have to pay as private estate residents for the etate bins to be emptied and tens of thousands on the immediate roads around us but yet the council empties the bins, I benefit from the rule of law here (and I have devoted my life to upholding it - I play a massive part in ensuring the rule of law prevails every day as a lawyer - we do God's work etc).

Notice the right wing have backed off having been convincingly routed. Lol.

I think it's dread

Dreadful that Cameron lied to people.

No, I've always spporte the welfare state. I am in favour of the tax credit cuts, though. What always happens is people pick my comments and turn them into different comments to suit their left wing agenda. The Tories are the best party to support the welfare state but the left don't like that. If you cannot maintain financial stability in a country you cannot keep its welfare state going as Greece has found. That is why the Tories were voted in for the next 5 years because British voters know that.

..but hardly surprising, no?

Greece?

Well the latest news reports says that this woman is actually unlikely to be affected by the tax credit cuts as her business doesn't make a profit. So she can breath a sigh of relief and carry on voting Tory and not giving a shit about those who are affected. Unless she's woken up and seen them for what they are......hopefully!

Not sure if this has been covered or not but I'm slightly suprised that someone can run a non profit making business from their home and be classed as working and claim all the associated benefits. Obviously she does have a business of sorts as ive seen the photos of her "nail studio". But could some people do similar to avoid the arse of having to sign on and be forced to search for work or even have to take on a NMW job? Because sitting about at home while painting the odd persons nails sounds a lot better than having to get an actual job?

I started this thread yonks ago www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/1038918-so-is-there-anyone-with-the-guts-to-admit-they

plenty people told me I was wrong, maybe this lady at QT was one of them?