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To have zero sympathy for this woman

836 replies

wasonthelist · 16/10/2015 13:25

The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284

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PigletJohn · 17/10/2015 19:44

yep.

His tax-dodging status, like his position as Daily Mail boss, is hereditary, like some diseases.

Badders123 · 17/10/2015 19:46

Australia beats the UK in almost every aspect of life satisfaction surveys.
It's not just about medical care.

Badders123 · 17/10/2015 19:46

...and I may be peri menopausal...but bladder? :)

jubblie · 17/10/2015 19:54

'The reality is the people spoke and want the Tories.'
Only 24% of those eligible to vote actually voted Conservative.

Peregrina · 17/10/2015 20:05

The realitiy is the people spoke and want the Tories. We want to ensure people with more children than most full time working mothers can afford are not subsidised to work part time or in non self employed jobs. Some people may not like it but this is democracy.

No, it's like the woman who this thread is about. They thought that the Tories were going to cut benefits from scroungers who live on sink estates, take drugs all day and haven't worked for three generations. They didn't listen to what their weasily words were actually saying or realise that their tax credits counted as benefits.

A starting salary for a police officer is between £23,317 and £25,962. Teachers start on at least £22,244 – or £27,819 in inner London. That doesn't sound too bad. Hmm, tell me who can find a property in inner London for the sort of mortgage that £27819 will purchase in inner London?

Or are you saying that those people who choose to go into public service should go the extra mile, (or 10000 miles) and sacrifice having a family, or hope that the glow of feeling one has done ones bit for society will put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads?

Let's hope Grazia that you are not injured in a car crash and are never able to work again. Are you making provision for this eventuality? It could happen, (but obviously no one would wish it on you), and since you seem happy to see the welfare state cut, there will be no one left to pick up the pieces. I trust that you will find that OK?

Peregrina · 17/10/2015 20:12

I don't know where Lord Harmsworth was born, but he went to an American university. So perhaps he should go back to the US, since he is not domiciled here? No? Maybe he doesn't like the idea of paying tax to Uncle Sam? Who would have thought it!

Baconyum · 17/10/2015 20:20

Cookie I don't think any of us will be able to persuade you away from tory think but do you honestly think there are unfulfilled full time jobs out there? There really aren't! THAT'S why so many people are working part time, in addition there are very few jobs paying above nmw which would mean parents even with only one child needing childcare would be in receipt of tax credits.

You clearly are ignorant to the fact that most jobs are getting HUNDREDS of applicants! I have friends in recruitment in different parts of the country telling me this.

As for calling sp who work part time 'lazy' words escape me!

"Companies must pay living wages - proper ones. The govt needs to force them to do it, but they won't because they're mostly funded by big business anyway." Exactly! AND pay the correct taxes! Arithmetically there are economists that keep saying that if big companies were paying their taxes and paying a living wage that would not only wipe out what this govt thinks is excessive in the welfare bill but significantly reduce the deficit.

"Yet the state subsidises business to the tune of £98 billion a year in subsidies, tax waivers and incentives" aye those of you behind the welfare cuts, how can you defend this?

Longtimelurker "looking at mumsnet you're all average and middle class" NO WE'RE NOT! there are plenty of lone parent, disabled benefit claimants like me, people with children who are sick/disabled, people from all kinds of working backgrounds! I've never held anything but a 'working class' job and neither have my parents! As stated on another thread I do wish people wouldn't make assumptions about who I am!

"Every post you write Cookie just makes you seem completely out of touch with reality." I'm willing to say I don't think cookie has ever been in financial hardship she didn't view as of her own making in her life. I'm also going to say I suspect she doesn't know anybody who has. Only explanation for these views.

"Making out society won't have workers without tax credits shows how lazy as a society we have become. Those jobs were done before tax credits and will be after." Omg! You really do refuse to listen to ANYONE but DC! They existed when people got a wage that was in line with the cost of living which they now DON'T GET!

Grazia1984 · 17/10/2015 20:20

No, the welfare state is preserved by the Tories, by ensuring we can continue to operate it, by living within our means, by ensuring we don't become a Greece. The Tories won fair and square under this democracy. they had so many votes they would have also won under proportional representation. The left may not like it but it is so. Most people don't have tax credits in the UK. I've never had them. Many many voters are pensioners. It is not true to say the Tories got in because of some comment the left is misconstruing about tax credits not going to be cut. They got in b ecause they were going to be sensible with the economy. That is what people want.

If that forces self employed nail bar women with more children than they can keep to get a full time job so they aren't subsidised by full time working mothers who cannot afford 4 children then so be it. It is however a caring change - it's a change which will ensure this nation can continue to support the welfare state.

fastdaytears · 17/10/2015 20:27

Grazia you're a perfect example of how you can believe that the conservative ideology is best for the country. I don't agree with your analysis but it's a perfectly valid argument that clearly a lot of people do agree with.

My issue with this woman is that she didn't think that voting Tory was good for the country. She thought she would have more money personally if she did and is now finding that to be wrong.

CookieMonsterIsOnADiet · 17/10/2015 20:32

Baconyum, you couldn't be more wrong. After losing both my parents as a child I can assure you there have been plenty of hard times and crap jobs.

However, I was responsible for myself so had no choice but to get on with it. Yes I could have turned to benefits but why should I when I was able to work. I knew I wanted a family and who chooses to have childre and raise them on benefits? Wanting a better future got me through the hard times.

I know plenty of people who earn just over the threashols who could lower their hours or stop working to gain more in benefits but their morals don't let them.

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 17/10/2015 21:27

They thought that the Tories were going to cut benefits from scroungers who live on sink estates, take drugs all day and haven't worked for three generations

Thing is these cuts are not going to affect these people. It's the low paid workers who are going to bear the brunt of the cuts. Whether they work full or part time. How the fuck is that fair?

elementofsurprise · 17/10/2015 21:34

Mrs The unemployed and ill/disabled have already faced benefit cuts and harsh demands, sanctions and tests. And face more to come. So no idea where you're getting that from.

To PP who mentioned nursing going on the shortage occupations list... wtaf. Not saying it's not true... just it shows complete incompetent mismanagement. Nursing courses have been very oversubcribed for years! They prefer to 'import' nurses from abroad and leave the would-be nurses here fighting over min wage jobs, I think... (no offence to foreign born nurses but it's a bit cheeky of the govt!)

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 17/10/2015 21:42

Sorry yes, I forgot about the sanctions and the other stuff. Forgive me it's getting late.

Stepping away from this thread now.

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 17/10/2015 21:47

And taking my lazy part time ass with me! Grin

expatinscotland · 17/10/2015 22:01

There are some people who are truly all about punishing people.

HelenaDove · 17/10/2015 22:13

Plomino that explains why i was asked by a paramedic who was one of a team treating DH whether i would be interested in training as one.

I cant because im DHs fulltime carer but i think she was thinking of when he may not be around any more plus the shortage you have mentioned.

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wasonthelist · 17/10/2015 22:24

The realitiy is the people spoke and want the Tories.

Actually, far more of those of us who voted, didn't. Many people living in safe seats are effectively totally disenfranchised by our stupid outdated system.

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Pyjamaramadrama · 17/10/2015 22:25

Whatever your thoughts on tax credits. The fact is that they were sold by the last government as a perfectly legitimate way of supporting your earned income.

Now they're being massively reduced.

It's isn't always as simple as work harder/work more hours.

I was working 30 hours meaning that I could pick ds up after school. If I worked 40 hours the extra income would have gone straight to the after school club.

I'd have lost £50 a week, I didn't have £50 a week left over.

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wasonthelist · 17/10/2015 22:28

I find it interesting that Tories (except presumably for QT woman) opine that loss making businesses shouldn't be helped, but don't mind all the large companies who make a "loss" here due to clever accountancy, paying no tax.

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HelenaDove · 17/10/2015 22:32

Do employers still get to pay less NI for an employee if the job is part time?

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wasonthelist · 17/10/2015 22:34

No, the welfare state is preserved by the Tories, by ensuring we can continue to operate it, by living within our means,

What bollocks. We aren't living within our means now, any more than we were living beyond them before. Trying to pretend we'd be like Greece is just arrant nonsense. These silly home-spun homilies about looking after the pennies are just an excuse for spiteful and unecessary policies fueled by idealogy, not evidence.

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jellybeans · 18/10/2015 00:03

Surely just looking into the beliefs and ideologies of the Tories tells us all we need to know about the way we are heading. The NHS, welfare state, workers rights etc were not Tory ideas. Welfare and unions have been stigmatised when they do not need to be and are not in many cultures.

ssd · 18/10/2015 00:22

why the bloody hell anyone would vote Tory is beyond me

Peregrina · 18/10/2015 00:28

For the last election the Tories managed to persuade a significant number of people that Labour couldn't be trusted with the economy, coupled with a fear of UKIP/SNP. Why their solution to this is to kick the disabled in the teeth is absolutely beyond me.

ssd · 18/10/2015 00:36

but peregrina, come on, surely you know the Tories never pick on their own, only on the vulnerable who they class as beneath them?

the trouble is, the working poor believed because they worked that they weren't being labelled as scroungers and work shy, whereas the truth is, they have been kicked harder then anyone who is work shy as these cuts only affect workers...which is a fact most people dont seem to grasp