To have zero sympathy for this woman

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The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284

Because kids will pay taxes that look after you in future, because they will be the workers of the future and do valuable jobs.

Why should those without kids subsidise those who do have them?

Because we have this thing called 'society'. Where we do things that don't directly benefit us, but which benefit the collective. Because we might need the help of the collective some day.

But by all means enjoy life in your 'I'm all right Jack' bubble, won't you?

The tories don't believe in society pointy, their esteemed leader in the 1980s even said it.

Well, they don't believe in society till they need something from it, then it exists for their benefit.

So you're happy for there to be no nurses, police, carers, retail workers, chefs and allk manner of jobs in the future?

If only the rich have kids, and pass their wealth down to their children, do you really think those kids will want to become cleaners and work in shops? Of course not. They'll have been raised by their parents to see those jobs as beneath them. Then no one will do the jobs.

Plus, it's called a society.

Why should we subsidise profit making businesses that pay large bonuses? Surely the avalability of bonuses and large salaries is facilitated by the subsidy and therefore it is being taken advantage of and the opportunity cost is too high...

The Tories want the American system of low taxes, and low govt input in services and law making.
So no NHS, no decent education unless you pay for it, individual counties making their own rules (this is already happening in some areas) no safety net. The vulnerable will rely on charities and food banks and food stamps.
Is this a surprise to people?
Really?
It's happening.
We are letting it happen.

How do you know when a politician is lying?

my understanding is that the quote below is what Thatcher said

There is no such thing as society.[fo 30] There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate.

I don't understand whats wrong with it, as i read it i think it means that people are all different and should take responsibility for themselves and help other people

Is that not right? Have i misread it

Can some one a bit more politically on the ball explain it

Sorry if its a derail, i just see it quoted a lot

.....and I do wish those who mock the less well educated would take a moment to realise that these are the people who will be wiping their arses when their families put them in a home.

piglet

Their lips are moving!!!!!

John...when their mouth is open :)

How do you know when a politician is lying?

he or she is speaking...that's how you know

Rufus

That tapestry thing must have been made up after the event, perhaps by a spinner or PR rep. It isn't what she said at the time.

She also distorted the parable of the Good Samaritan, claiming that it was the individual wealth of the Samaritan that enabled him to help, which is 100% the opposite of the message.

Prime minister Margaret Thatcher, talking to
Women's Own magazine, October 31 1987
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."

That's what the vile old witch actually said.

ding dong.

People who don't claim tax credits are not always rich, many just self support.

We do need future tax payers but they need to be paying tax not taking out more in benefits. Stopping them now is the only way to ensure we don't have another generation who belive they are owed a living.

There will be plenty of police, nurses, teachers, retail workers who don't claim tax credits so we will always have people to fill those jobs.

I am not sure that there will be plenty of teachers and nurses - they are so fed up with the constant pressure and lack of support, coupled with stupidly high house prices in the south east that they are leaving in droves.

Speaking of tax-payers, I find it shocking that billionaire boss of the Daily Mail, Lord Rothermere, despite being born, educated and living in the UK, where he has a palatial mansion, and his business being here, pays practically no tax.

How fortunate he is that the government prefers to punish the poor, rather than pursue rich tax-dodgers like him.

I'm not so sure you'd find many retail workers with children who don't claim tax credits. Or cleaners, care workers or teaching assistants. Every post you write Cookie just makes you seem completely out of touch with reality.

My friend left teaching this year.
My cousin who is a nurse (only qualified about 3 years ago) is thinking of leaving nursing.
Just search some mn threads for those wanting to leave these professions.
It's scary.
But who can blame them?
Why not go to Australia or Canada where they will have a better standard of living?
And yes to chasing tax dodgers. Which will never happen. They donate too much money to the political parties.

There aren't going to be plenty of paramedics . We're currently running at about 10 per cent short nationally . We're also desperately short of nurses , so much so , that both those occupations are now going onto the Shortage occupation list because we just don't have enough . You are going to run out of police officers , particularly in London , with its new residency requirement, because living in London is so expensive , and the starting salary is 23k . Which sounds a lot until you factor in more expensive childcare because of shift work, and more expensive cost of housing . I have colleagues coming to work with a tin of soup and two slices of bread . They are claiming tax credits a plenty .

The realitiy is the people spoke and want the Tories. We want to ensure people with more children than most full time working mothers can afford are not subsidised to work part time or in non self employed jobs. Some people may not like it but this is democracy.

Bladder so they get tax credits in Aus?

In most parts of Aus it's very hard to see a doctor without private healthcare. I've lived there and loved it but makes me laugh how much people think the grass is greener

Is Rothmere one of these 'non-domiciled' despite never having lived anywhere else?

That's one thing they could get rid of - it affects a handful of wealthy tax dodgers and is some sort of left over relic from the time of the Empire. If they really are non-domiciled then surely they won't mind leaving the country if they object to paying a fair rate of tax? (They probably wouldn't go, they would have to pay the proper rates elsewhere.)

It wouldn't plug the deficit, but at least it would send a message that yes, we are all in it together.

I do so hope that this comes back to bite the Tories on the bum.

Plenty of households have two working adults where no tax credits are claimed, many of these will do those jobs as they suit re hours etc. Students don't claim benefits and plenty will work in retail.

Making out society won't have workers without tax credits shows how lazy as a society we have become. Those jobs were done before tax credits and will be after.

Our children need a decent future not one on benefits.