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To hate my neighbour..

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guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:08

Will try not to make this too long. I am probably BU, this all happened a while ago but I am fairly new to MN!
My Dp and moved into a block of flats just over a year ago, when I was pregnant. An older lady (looks to be in her 60's) owns the flat next door. We rent, not sure if this matters but I do detect a slight snobby attitude on her part because of this, I may be wrong.
We didn't speak to her much at the start, apart from the basic pleasantries- hello, how are you? Etc. It became clear that she think she is some kind of "boss" of the flats. She is the only person to have a key to the utility cupboard, she holds loud "meetings" in the hallway, and is generally a bit of a busy body when it comes to people in the flats' business.
Anyway, like I said, we got on fine to begin with.
Then I had my ds in March. I had an EMCS and was feeling very down when we got home from hospital, very sore, exhausted, all the usual complaints!
One night I decided to have a cheeky fag outside our bedroom window (her window
Looks onto ours). I finished my (heavenly) smoke and stubbed it out and tried to ping it into the open bin that sits outside the flats. I missed, and (selfishly, I know), just left it there and came back inside.
I came back in to my screaming newborn, and my dp trying to calm him down. Next thing there was a loud knock at the door. This was about 9.30 pm so we had no
Idea who would be knocking at this time. My dp answered it, baby in his
arms, and there stood NDN. She proceeded to tell him that she had seen me leaving a cigarette doubt outside and started ranting.
My dp calmly asked if she would mind coming back in the morning as we were trying to deal with our son. But no, she continued ranting and raving, so my dp closed the door in her face. He was really angry by this point (he was even more exhausted than me by this point, balancing work and a new baby).
I started getting upset because I KNOW I was in the wrong. I felt
Embarrassed and nervous, so decided to go next door and apologised.
When she opened the door I said sorry so many times and said I knew I was wrong to leave the cigarette there and that I would go out and pick it up (which I did) and I explained that I am not normally so thoughtless but my brain was a bit frazzled and so was my dp's. I was crying by this point and she gave me a hug and told me not to worry we all make mistakes and that we would draw a line under it. I felt so relieved that we had sorted this issue and headed home to tell my dp all was ok.
Then, the next day, leaving our flat to go for a walk, this same
Neighbour launched a verbal
Attack on myself and my partner, while we were pushing our son in his pram. Started shouting that we had left more mess outside (we hadn't) and that she was phoning the factors and going to get us evicted. I told her no sorry that must be somebody elses mess, I picked up that cigarette last night, but she continued to shout at us in front of other neighbours.
I started getting upset again so my dp intervened and she told him "shut up, I don't want to talk to you!" So he told her "fine go fuck yourself you old cow". I was angry at him for saying this, but I was even more angry that she had agreed to forgive and forget the first incident, then brought it all up on our doorstep the next day, in
front of people. I had even offered to do her shopping for her
If she needed me to one day but it seems she has decided that we are not nice people. We get on with everybody else in the building.
Sorry I know this is long, and I know
I was in the wrong to begin with, but I don't think it warranted her behaviour. I also know my dp shouldn't have swore at her but like I said, we were both so sleep deprived at the time.

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Tiggeryoubastard · 13/10/2015 16:12

No excuse, you shouldn't leave your scratty mess. I'd be pissed off living next to scruffy gits that did that as well.

Stinkilinky · 13/10/2015 16:15

OP picked up her cigarette end and the other mess wasn't theirs?

catfordbetty · 13/10/2015 16:15

fine go fuck yourself you old cow

Fair response in the circumstances. I think you should stop apologising for yourself - you don't have a lesser right to enjoy your home just because you rent it.

MajesticSeaFlapFlap · 13/10/2015 16:16

Christ that was long winded

Does it matter? Just ignore her and go about you lives

LovelyBranches · 13/10/2015 16:17

Tiggery rtft! Op left a cigarette butt and picked it up. She didn't leave any further mess but is getting shouted at by a mean neighbour who can't give them a tiny bit of space when they gave a newborn.

Crazypetlady · 13/10/2015 16:18

tiggerShe left a cigarette butt. Stop being so uptight.

Your d.p shouldn't have swore o.p but its difficult with a young baby without people like her, keep a diary. Also enquire why she has the utility key.

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:20

Tigger is right, having a baby doesn't make me so precious I have an excuse to leave a mess. But I honestly did get so upset and
Embarrassed when I thought about it. Hence why I went round and properly kissed her arse and grovelled. I hate any kind of conflict and I was so happy she accepted my apology.
Forgot to add, she complained when my landlord decided to get some work done in our kitchen due to the tenant above flooding ours so our landlord went to speak to her and apologise about the noise
And she was really rude to our
Landlord so when we told her
About this incident she was like don't worry the factors know what she's like. So it would seem she likes to complain a lot..

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Tiggeryoubastard · 13/10/2015 16:23

She only picked it up because she was pulled up about it. Maybe your standards are different, but frankly, why should she leave her mess? Renting or owning is irrelevant. Don't be so bloody filthy and arrogant, clean up after yourself like decent adult without having to be told to.

miaowroar · 13/10/2015 16:24

She had no right to assume it was you before even asking. How dare she treat a new mother in that way? I know you shouldn't have left the cigarette but you apologised and moved it ffs.

I think you are trying to be too placatory towards her - one apology should be enough and why on earth should a young woman with a seven-month-old baby do the shopping of a woman of 60? I know your husband swore, but it was under provocation - and it is telling that she didn't want to talk to him - she thinks she can bully you. In future, just refer her to your husband "I'm sorry, you will have to speak to my husband about this" sort of thing. In fact I would try not to open the door to her if you are on your own, and if he is in, get him to answer.

I am not sure who the Factors are - are they the owners or caretakers? But I am sure they can't evict anyone just on the say-so of a little Hitler like her. I would have as little to do with her as possible and just concentrate your baby, yourself and your husband and the nice neighbours you get on with.

PS - I am 60 and wouldn't dream of treating a young family (well anyone) like this.

SideOrderofChips · 13/10/2015 16:24

ODFO tigger

OP im in the throws of newborn foggy brain at the moment We all do things we regret sometimes. But its a fucking cigarette butt that you went to pick it up. And im sure you would have in the morning. Its not like you threw a shitty nappy in through her open window....

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 13/10/2015 16:26

I don't think that was an appropriate response from your partner - whatever the circumstances - if she does something like that again, walk away. She sounds like the type of person who would have no qualms about contacting the police/letting agents and saying that she felt threatened by his behaviour. Whilst they are highly unlikely to take any further action, you don't need that complication.

You shouldn't have thrown the cigarette but you acknowledge that.

It is difficult when there is a neighbour like that and I don't think she acted appropriately by shouting at you. I would email the letting agents setting out clearly and factually what happened in case she gets in touch with them. You want a written contemporaneous record on your file. Acknowledge that you shouldn't have thrown the cigarette and your partner should not have sworn at her. Make it clear that it won't happen again.

The problem is that because you chucked rubbish out the window, you are now prime suspect for any other mess that anyone else makes unwitnessed. That being the case, it's really important that there are no other instances (tired or not) of throwing stuff out the window.

LovelyBranches · 13/10/2015 16:26

Tigger, yes littering isn't on. I get that, I don't like it either. However accusing someone of leaving litter that they didn't and calling in on someone when they have a screaming baby and continuing to complain is much more unreasonable.

PaulAnkaTheDog · 13/10/2015 16:26

Filthy and arrogant? Have a word with yourself tigger, it's not like Op dumped bags of stinking rubbish outside for a month.

milkingmachine1 · 13/10/2015 16:27

She sounds like a busy body, just ignore her! I'm sure your neighbours know what she's like.

miaowroar · 13/10/2015 16:28

Tigger - what on earth is the matter? She did clean up ONE cigarette but and has left no further mess.

How would you know she only picked it up because she was pulled up about it? unless you're a mind-reader

PaulAnkaTheDog · 13/10/2015 16:29

Unless a singular cigarette butt is gateway littering? Perhaps the op is headed for fly tipping, now she's felt the thrill of littering.

miaowroar · 13/10/2015 16:29

Its not like you threw a shitty nappy in through her open window... Grin

RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 13/10/2015 16:32

I think the problem now, is that because you've grovelled she thinks she's queen of the universe totally in the right.

You were wrong to litter (as you've admitted)
She was wrong to come round and rant at you
She then continued it and your DP defended you

The best you can do is ignore her.

Paintedhandprints · 13/10/2015 16:35

Yabu to smoke. Your neighbour is an interfering busy body. Ignore her.

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:45

thank you for all your opinions. I do ignore her now as much as I can. I hold the main door open for her if I see her etc I don't like her but I'm honestly not rude person, but I try to avoid her.
Part of that is because I am embarrassed by what I did and partly
because she scares me a little bit lol..
Painted 100% true! I gave it up while pregnant then I bloody started again. So annoyed at myself. I am trying to stop though. Sad

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Backforthis · 13/10/2015 16:46

I've lived in flats where the neighbours chucked leftover food out of their windows and it landed in our living room. I still didn't shout at them or harass them. One cigarette butt is hardly the end of the world. It sounds like this woman is best avoided.

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:50

I also feel I should point out, my dp did probably make things worse by swearing at her, but he had actually been staying up all night with the baby in the living room to make sure I slept and recovered (I collapsed in our hallway the day after we got home from hospital) and then working in the day so he was beyond knackered. He has been a tower of strength for me since I had our ds and I think it just really upset him to see our neighbour speaking to me like that. He knew I was feeling down and probably a hit over sensitive.

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ReginaBlitz · 13/10/2015 16:50

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guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:50

Sorry a bit not a hit

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guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:52

Regina I said older cause she is older than me Confused that's fact not "low"

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