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To hate my neighbour..

71 replies

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:08

Will try not to make this too long. I am probably BU, this all happened a while ago but I am fairly new to MN!
My Dp and moved into a block of flats just over a year ago, when I was pregnant. An older lady (looks to be in her 60's) owns the flat next door. We rent, not sure if this matters but I do detect a slight snobby attitude on her part because of this, I may be wrong.
We didn't speak to her much at the start, apart from the basic pleasantries- hello, how are you? Etc. It became clear that she think she is some kind of "boss" of the flats. She is the only person to have a key to the utility cupboard, she holds loud "meetings" in the hallway, and is generally a bit of a busy body when it comes to people in the flats' business.
Anyway, like I said, we got on fine to begin with.
Then I had my ds in March. I had an EMCS and was feeling very down when we got home from hospital, very sore, exhausted, all the usual complaints!
One night I decided to have a cheeky fag outside our bedroom window (her window
Looks onto ours). I finished my (heavenly) smoke and stubbed it out and tried to ping it into the open bin that sits outside the flats. I missed, and (selfishly, I know), just left it there and came back inside.
I came back in to my screaming newborn, and my dp trying to calm him down. Next thing there was a loud knock at the door. This was about 9.30 pm so we had no
Idea who would be knocking at this time. My dp answered it, baby in his
arms, and there stood NDN. She proceeded to tell him that she had seen me leaving a cigarette doubt outside and started ranting.
My dp calmly asked if she would mind coming back in the morning as we were trying to deal with our son. But no, she continued ranting and raving, so my dp closed the door in her face. He was really angry by this point (he was even more exhausted than me by this point, balancing work and a new baby).
I started getting upset because I KNOW I was in the wrong. I felt
Embarrassed and nervous, so decided to go next door and apologised.
When she opened the door I said sorry so many times and said I knew I was wrong to leave the cigarette there and that I would go out and pick it up (which I did) and I explained that I am not normally so thoughtless but my brain was a bit frazzled and so was my dp's. I was crying by this point and she gave me a hug and told me not to worry we all make mistakes and that we would draw a line under it. I felt so relieved that we had sorted this issue and headed home to tell my dp all was ok.
Then, the next day, leaving our flat to go for a walk, this same
Neighbour launched a verbal
Attack on myself and my partner, while we were pushing our son in his pram. Started shouting that we had left more mess outside (we hadn't) and that she was phoning the factors and going to get us evicted. I told her no sorry that must be somebody elses mess, I picked up that cigarette last night, but she continued to shout at us in front of other neighbours.
I started getting upset again so my dp intervened and she told him "shut up, I don't want to talk to you!" So he told her "fine go fuck yourself you old cow". I was angry at him for saying this, but I was even more angry that she had agreed to forgive and forget the first incident, then brought it all up on our doorstep the next day, in
front of people. I had even offered to do her shopping for her
If she needed me to one day but it seems she has decided that we are not nice people. We get on with everybody else in the building.
Sorry I know this is long, and I know
I was in the wrong to begin with, but I don't think it warranted her behaviour. I also know my dp shouldn't have swore at her but like I said, we were both so sleep deprived at the time.

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ReginaBlitz · 13/10/2015 16:53

I'm referring to your dh comment to her no need! You got blamed for the other mess because she saw you leave the fag so probably though once a scruff always a scruff?

ReginaBlitz · 13/10/2015 16:54

thought

Pseudo341 · 13/10/2015 16:55

Tiger, one cigarette butt? How fucking uptight are you?

OP YANBU, I hate your neighbour too now :p Try not to let her get under your skin. Easier said than done when you've got a young baby I know. Just get on with your life and refuse to engage with her in any more of this nonsense. I suspect the rest of your neighbours have a good idea what she's like and aren't about to start ganging up on you or anything, just don't get into any more public shouting matches. Ignore as best you can.

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:55

If you read my last post you will realise why he snapped. People have a breaking point and she found his. I told him he was wrong to say that but the damage is done now. The other posters are right. I won't waste another minute worrying about her.

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ineedabodytransplant · 13/10/2015 16:56

Tigger, you're a class a twat! The OP said one butt. I hate smoking and all the crap that comes with it, the smell, the fag-ends. But filthy and arrogant over one butt? Are you reading the same thread as everyone else?

ineedabodytransplant · 13/10/2015 16:57

Class A twat, not class a...that doesn't read right.

But, still a twat.

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 16:58

Xposted. Thanks Pseudo
I think other people do know what she's like. Everybody else in the flat always talks to us and coos over our ds so at least I know they like us.

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IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 13/10/2015 17:08

Stop apologising and ignore ignore ignore and btw if I'd been in your DP shoes I would of told her to fuck right off after her saying shut up.

I've told my old neighbours to shut the fucking dogs up (sleep deprived with newborn and endless pleas of stopping constant barking) and managed to go about daily ignoring her and simply bypassing her in the street. Do not feel inferior of this lady.

Stillunexpected · 13/10/2015 17:21

This incident you referred to happened in March. Apart from presumably being frosty with each other, you haven't mentioned a single thing happening since then. Have you been dwelling on that since? Is there more to this?

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 13/10/2015 17:29

I feel really sorry for the poor newborn baby who is forced to have revolting faggy breath fumes breathed onto their face. That's the real crime here.

As for the rest, you both sound a bit unreasonable to me. She overreacted about the other rubbish without checking it was the yours but I'm not sure you would have bothered to pick up the cigarette butt if she hadn't caught you out. That kind of thing is horrible when its allowed to build up around the entryways to flats and no-one takes responsibility for clearing up after themselves. Smokers seem to think that cigarette ends don't count as litter for some odd reason. Confused

dancerchancer · 13/10/2015 17:31

A fag end is hardly the crime of the century. Your DH was absolutely right telling her to go fuck herself. She's a bully and bully's need standing up to. You've as much right to be there as she has, whether you own or buy is irrelevant.

miaowroar · 13/10/2015 17:39

I'm not sure you would have bothered to pick up the cigarette butt if she hadn't caught you out.

But there is no way you could know that she wouldn't either. People make errors of judgement.

Corygal · 13/10/2015 17:41

I love it all - neighbour 'launches a verbal attack on you' for, er, chucking fage ends out of the window and DP tells her without provocation to 'go fuck yerself yer old cow'. Because that really makes it ok.

Look love, everyone has awful neighbours at some stage - just accept you are them.Grin

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 13/10/2015 17:42

Sorry but this happened in March??!!

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 13/10/2015 17:43

You need to get over it. It was a bit of unpleasantness with bad behaviour all round. Presumably bog all has happened since or you'd have mentioned it in the epic op?

Namechangenell · 13/10/2015 17:52

This is an interesting one. We own a flat in a block and have a similarly officious older lady who likes to take charge. When we first bought, we were rather intimidated by her and found her over the top. As the years have gone by, most of the time, I actually think she has a point. She's seen what was once a nice, small block with owner occupiers and single professionals, turn into mainly buy to lets with many landlords who couldn't care less. Many of the flats are now let to families as the price of housing has rocketed (SW London). The freehold is owned jointly by all flat owners and when something goes wrong, it's not just 'a cigarette butt' or a damaged flowerbed or whatever it might be. She's generally seeing something she spent a lot of time and effort on being damaged (there's a voluntary board and she does loads, which in turn keeps the service charge down for all owners). Sadly, it's the people who rent rather than own who've caused damage in the past (and I say that as someone who now rents out my flat).

If this had been our block, I'd have been annoyed at you too. You seem to think your personal circumstances are mitigating enough but if everyone thought that way, the world wouldn't be a very nice place. You see it as one isolated incident, she no doubt sees it as yet another person trashing her home environment. You were both over the top with your reactions. Good neighbours are hard to come by - take her some flowers, offer to start again and move on.

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 17:56

namechangenell at the start of the thread I said I had no excuses for littering and that I went round to make peace but this obviously wasn't good enough for her. So that is her choice. I keep my flat very tidy I help the elderly lady upstairs out with her bins and take her shopping upstairs for her. I am not a neighbour just unfortunately this night I was a selfish one. But I did apologise for that.

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guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 17:56

Sorry, I am not a bad neighbour

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/10/2015 18:02

I think every building/street/office has one. The self-appointed 'Hall Monitor' like back in grade school. I live out in the country and even we have one! He tootles up and down the lane a few times a week on an old John Deere tractor and scopes out everyone's goings on. We have a communal irrigation water canal with individual out-flow pipes to irrigation ponds to about 8 nearby properties which seems to be his especial bailiwick. Woe betide the person who doesn't clean the screening on their pipe to his satisfaction! No matter that the only effect a dirty screen has is to reduce the water flow to one's own pond. He also likes to keep tabs on fruit trees and will let someone know (more than once) that they 'need' to pick their plums, oranges, etc 'right away'. He's annoying, but harmless.

My advice, just ignore her. Do as you are doing, be polite but don't converse with her.

Pullingpants · 13/10/2015 18:15

Tigger, give your head a wobble...

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 18:18

Thanks everybody! I know this is from months ago but like I said, I'm
a new poster and I was just curious
as to what people thought of it all!

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catl1tterinmybra · 13/10/2015 18:20

You are not a bad neighbour! I suspect your neighbour has put herself forward to the management company as the one to take meter readings for shared lighting etc.

We have a similar resident in my block, who is either viewed as a busy body, or the saviour of the bin stores, depending on how you meet him Grin
He will always politely inform new residents of the rules of the block, which letting and estate agents never seem to have to hand when new residents move in, which may or may not endear new residents to him (especially if they've just hung their washing out to dry, without realising that it's not done here - against the terms of the leasehold).
He also has a bit of an odd manner about him (which may possibly come from over 40 years of living here, and having to repeat himself at least once a month bout how things are done here!).
However, in his case, there are a couple of other old lags here (myself included) who make sure he doesn't go around accusing residents of things they've not been witnessed to have done. Apparently, his predecessor was way more terrifying than him, by all accounts!

The block is made up of a mixture of tenants and owner occupiers, much like yours. We find that the flats which are occupied by tenants take a lot longer to get stuff fixed than that of the owner occupiers. Likely because of the number of extra links in the chain between something cropping up, and getting someone in to fix it. No reasonable resident would ever hold that against a tenant, mind you, as it's as frustrating for them as it is the rest of us!

If I were you, I'd carry on as you are, keep making friends in your block, your LL knows that they may get a few grumbles from your neighbour, but in all honesty, if it's only from one resident, it says more about the resident than you. Give old stroppy knickers a wide berth, and enjoy your new family & home.

guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 18:21

Oh and miawroar you sound lovely, thank you for being understanding! Flowers

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guajiraguantanamera · 13/10/2015 18:26

catl1tter just out of pure curiosity- why are you not allowed to hang your washing out to dry??

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StarkyTheDirewolf · 13/10/2015 18:29

Where we last lived our ndn used to put his half eaten dinner on our doorstep/doormat and outside windowsill while we were asleep. It was bonkers. I'd wake up and there would be loads of bran flakes on the front door step, or cooked spaghetti placed along the windowsill. If he'd left the occasional cig end I'd have been rejoicing. Nothing quite like stepping outside your front door half asleep to bring the milk in and stepping in a pile of cold ravioli. He would completely ignore me, but fell all over himself to be nice to DH (who I think he was a bit scared of) but it was so odd! We moved shortly after registered a few complaints etc but I believe he was charged with harassment not long after we left. (Not a helpful post I know!)