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Can I ask why the U.S. don't want an NHS?

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Fizzielove · 13/10/2015 10:00

Why don't Americans want an NHS? I just don't get it? Can someone lease explain to this to me?

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bodenbiscuit · 13/10/2015 11:13

The US is a very right wing country.

For those who can afford health insurance they see universal healthcare as very substandard. This is what I gather from my (very well off) republican voting relatives in the US.

FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 13/10/2015 11:13

YoungGirl - really? How do you know this as fact?

Headofthehive55 · 13/10/2015 11:14

I don't think the Americans realise how the nhs works, or how good it is.

The nhs is an insurance based system but not profit making.

Trouble is you have to persuade the well off to support the less well off more obviously.

I lived in the USA. I was insured. The healthcare I saw being given to my friend (insured) was dire.

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BoboChic · 13/10/2015 11:23

I have lived in several countries and have had different healthcare systems and both state and private care and insurance. Ditto my parents.

It's very hard to create a healthcare system that always works for all stakeholders. People's opinions on what they want are based on their own experiences. Free national anything is generally unpopular with US citizens. Why would a NHS be different?

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Badders123 · 13/10/2015 11:26

This is interesting.
Let me tell you a little story which I think demonstrates the ludicrousness of the NHS ATM.
20 years ago I got flu. I then sadly developed post viral illness and was very ill for months/years.
I was told by my GP that I absolutely MUST have a flu jab every year to prevent me getting so ill again.
Therefore I have had a flu jab every year since.
I went to the GP surgery yesterday to be told that under new rules I no longer qualify for flu jab.
I explained and said that I have 2 kids with asthma, I am my mothers carer...I need to protect myself and them.
No go.
So I trot off to asda this morning to be told they will not vaccinate me as I am allergic to latex. Ditto tesco.
So...what do I do?
I I get flu and pass it on to my kids or mum the NHS will have a lot more on its plate than Forking out £5 for my flu jab!
There is just no common sense anymore.
It madness.

Headofthehive55 · 13/10/2015 11:26

The nhs is not free boho. You pay insurance if you work, and are still insured if you don't earn enough. Your NI contributions are met by the govt.

SlaggyIsland · 13/10/2015 11:27

I believe that the US government actually spends more of it's budget on health care than the UK does.
However it goes to enrich the health care providers.
Twas a great scam cooked up by Nixon.

Badders123 · 13/10/2015 11:28

I think the French system is the way to go.
But just as Americans can't discuss universal healthcare, we can't discuss the fact that the NHS is no longer fit for purpose.
:(

fuzzywuzzy · 13/10/2015 11:29

Had a really interesting conversation with a friend she's American and moved here when she got married. She did not have a good birth experience recently, she was so angry saying next time she would have a birth in the US as the midwives were not nice to her, her bed was under the stair case she was not allowed to be discharged etc.

Another friend who was listening to the conversation and is not American or British, but is studying in America said that in America everything looks shiny and polished, but they were very inefficient when dealing with his health issue, he had to insist on the medication and the check up that he knew he needed, otherwise he was fobbed off several times with inadequate meds (which didn't work) and paid for the privilege each time.

I think the NHS needs a lot more investing in it, and it is a bit of a lottery when it comes to natal care, If the wards are full when you have your baby you're likely to get a bed under the staircase and wont get discharged till the paed has had a chance to check the baby to leave.

But I would not swap for the US alternative, I reminded the friend (after she kept going on about how much better the US system was), how when she was out of work she was googling how to treat her ailments and how very ill she did end up. She had no response to that.

The NHS is a life saver (literally) for many, yes it has flaws and could be better, but given the amount of childhood illnesses my eldest DC has had, it is essential.

Headofthehive55 · 13/10/2015 11:30

It's a risk thing badders. I know being allergic to latex is a contraindication for having some jabs. ( the same allergens are in both substances) I presume you wouldn't want an allergic reaction in their shop? Just because you have had the jab before is no guarantee of being ok this time.

LisbethSalandersLaptop · 13/10/2015 11:31

I think America has that frontier mentality, where you are responsible for yourself.

ReallyTired · 13/10/2015 11:33

There was plenty of resistance when the nhs was introduced over sixty years ago. An issue with the nhs is what should be covered and what isn't. In fact private health insurance has rationing as well.

The nhs is collapsing under the strain of unrealistic expectations. I have no idea what the answer is. However I do not want an end to healthcare that is free at the point of service. In the UK if your child is dying no one asks for your credit card. If you need an epidural or have other complications during childbirth you do not have to worry about the bill.

Badders123 · 13/10/2015 11:33

Never ever had this issue before in 20 years.
Apparently it's the sheath on the needle? It's not in the vaccine itself.
And yeah, I have been phoning around and have found a pharmacy that are happy to do it.
What a palaver.

Badders123 · 13/10/2015 11:34

And yeah?
"However" that should have read!

Devonicity · 13/10/2015 11:34

Surely it's because people who vote are mainly older and richer. And those are the people who have good healthcare insurance and don't see the benefit for themselves.

Headofthehive55 · 13/10/2015 11:34

Why would you want to be discharged until your baby has been checked?

The midwives weren't nice? That's not anything to do with the system I would think.

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Badders123 · 13/10/2015 11:42

The NHS is great for acute problems....they saved my bils life when he had a stroke...but for someone like me with multiple chronic issues it's awful.
Maternity services are in crisis.
Dementia and geriatric care ditto.

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fuzzywuzzy · 13/10/2015 11:49

Head she doesn't li she though it would be like Pride and Prejudice (the BBC version) and it isn't.

From what I understood the midwives sounded utterly frazzled as they had a full ward ( I don't think they were being nasty to her probably not smiley and conversational tho) when she went into have her baby, her baby wasn't feeding so they wanted to keep them in until he was, but eventually she was discharged only to return a few days later as he was due to the not feeding issue.

She could pay here to have the brand spanking personal private care too, but the bill would be crazy and unnecessary. I am actually interested to see how she will find her next birth experience if it is in the states as she certainly doesn't have insurance there anymore.

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