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to ask my parents and PILs to only visit to meet our baby a few months after the birth?

79 replies

magnificatAnimaMea · 09/10/2015 03:59

We want to get settled before we get trampled on by my parents and PILs.

We're expecting our first baby next year. We live overseas from both sets of parents; both sets are young and independent enough to organise their own travel without any help from us - i.e. we're going to have to give them early and firm instructions about what we want, because they might well make their own travel decisions with absolutely no reference to us before booking anything.

Because of the likely stress involved in having a first baby, and the fact my relationship with my (frequently silly, rude, truculent, abusive and generally quite nasty) parents is strained, we don't want them visiting us - and very much don't want them staying with us. They would not be helpful - my mother's version of "help" is martyred half-doing things that other people then have to fix/finish, while whinging to everyone about how put-upon she is, and hissing vicious nastiness at me when I'm alone with her. My father will alternate between expecting people to wait on him, flouncing out of the house and sulking if someone (e.g. a new baby) does something he doesn't like (such as crying), and being angry and aggressive. Even if they don't stay with us, they're likely to massively increase the stress levels. I'm kind of on permanent red-alert having grown up with them, and I find it really hard to cope with stress because of them. The stress of a new baby combined with my parents is going to be really, really hard.

PIL are better, though very arrogant. MIL has the really unfortunate habit of kissing all her descendants on the lips all the time, while sporting extremely frequent gigantic cold sores. All her previous grandchildren have ended up with HSV infections while they were babies (thankfully not causing neonatal herpes). I would like to avoid this, but neither MIL nor FIL is the type of person to pay any attention whatsoever to a daughter-in-law who politely asks MIL not to kiss the new baby on the lips. DH agrees with me, but his mother is just going to ignore him too, while his father scoffs at him. I've seen them do this before over other things. DH's sister didn't want her kids infected with HSV either, but MIL refused to change her behaviour. Generally, MIL will judge me and probably be a bit unhelpful (she's polite, but clearly thinks I'm a bit useless).

That said, we're not going NC with either set of parents. We recognise it's their right to meet their grandchild, and that they may well want to meet the kid as soon as possible. However, how long can we put it off realistically before it looks like we're being obstructive and not recognising their needs?

i'm thinking 3-4 months? Is that too long?

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blibblobblub · 09/10/2015 04:19

Jesus they sound hard work.

YANBU at all. I think for your sanity it's the only way!

(And congratulations on your pregnancy Smile)

Senpai · 09/10/2015 05:02

Shock Oiy.

We recognise it's their right to meet their grandchild

No it's not. Just gonna put this out there, your baby is not a puppy to pass around for the entertainment of other people. Nor is your child a bartering chip for keeping the peace. No one has a right to seeing your baby except you and DP, the parents.

But, it is nice that you still choose to include them if you want to.

I would do it at 4 months. That time they're smiling and being more interactive, you'll have the hang of it and be more relaxed.

Just be prepared to be firm and assertive if you need to be. Especially if MIL has a cold sore. If you know she'll kiss the baby, don't let her hold it. Her feelings aren't worth a baby's health or condemning the poor thing to a life time of having the herpes virus.

Tootsiepops · 09/10/2015 05:07

Are your parents and in-laws in the same country? Could you visit them instead? That way you control the length of the visit and where you stay?

The cold sores thing just made me sick in my mouth a bit Sad

Mycatsgotmoretalent · 09/10/2015 05:13

YANBU
I had twins so allowed my mum to visit (stay with us) in the early weeks and I really regret it now. She was quite critical during what was a difficult and emotional first few weeks for me and she even stormed out of the house! Don't put you and your baby through unnecessary stress.

magnificatAnimaMea · 09/10/2015 05:21

Tootsiepops that actually might be the most sensible option. They're in the same city. We would also get to not stay with either set of parents/PILs because "there isn't space", whereas at the moment it causes WW3 to suggest we might stay somewhere other than with one or the other set of parents.

Everyone, thanks for the validation of my initial idea Smile

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FishWithABicycle · 09/10/2015 05:24

Yanbu

hookedonamoonagedaydreem · 09/10/2015 06:33

but neither MIL nor FIL is the type of person to pay any attention whatsoever to a daughter-in-law who politely asks re the cold sores and kissing, it's time to stop being polite imo, assertive is better. Start as you mean to go on!

Stick to your guns too, I didn't appreciate how nice it is to have no visitors until DC3 was born, the novelty had worn off for everyone and everyone was busy working so they couldn't come. It was bliss.

Iggly · 09/10/2015 06:36

Er I wouldnt be seeing them full stop.

The cold sore thing Shock

Fannycraddock79 · 09/10/2015 06:38

Please pleas please keep mil away and read this...www.careforelise.com

BoyScout · 09/10/2015 06:39

We recognise it's their right to meet their grandchild

No it's isn't. Get that idea right out of your head!

Lilaclily · 09/10/2015 06:40

Your parents sound worse
Why would you want abusive people around your child
I'd go nc tbh

CuppaSarah · 09/10/2015 06:40

I was ready to say you were being a bit unreasonable from reading the title. But god no. You are totally justified in your feelings, don't let them make your first few weeks with baby about them.

IguanaTail · 09/10/2015 06:40

I read the title and thought you were being unreasonable. I read your post and wondered how far away from them it would be possible to move.

Ughhhhhh

YANBU at allll.

Wishful80smontage · 09/10/2015 06:42

Whenever you feel comfortable if you really want to see them.
But I would be making it very clear to mil re:the kissing it would not be happening- upsetting mil vs potentially harming baby = no contest.

Dontunderstand01 · 09/10/2015 06:47

I read the title and wondered why you would need to wait... your OP made it perfectly clear!

I am guilty of not being assertive when it comes to my family and IL but please please stick to your guns. The cold sore thing is horrendous. Tell her 'you cannot kiss dc with cols sores. It is dangerous.' Repeat.

Aviana · 09/10/2015 06:49

Definitely go and visit them rather than let them visit you. When are you expecting? Would the three/four months coincide with Easter/summer holiday/family birthday? Then you can say we'll come over for that. Of course, you shouldn't travel until baby has had first round of vaccinations. Then there's the flu season to avoid travelling in. Sweeten the blow with plenty of Skype.

Don't take a pram, keep baby in a carrier or sling then baby can't be picked up by anyone without you letting them.

IguanaTail · 09/10/2015 06:51

Can you stay in a local hotel for a couple of days and visit one one day and one the other?

gohugatree · 09/10/2015 06:55

Yup - visit them, then you control how long to stay, when to leave etc. print out vast amounts of information on the danger f cold sores and just keep repeating to MIL 'I know you wouldn't want to harm your new grandchild - you can read how dangerous kissing a newborn when you have cold sores is here.'

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/10/2015 06:56

"That said, we're not going NC with either set of parents. We recognise it's their right to meet their grandchild"

Actually it is not. Include them only if you want to and maintain those boundaries.

These people in the shape of both sets of parents here are also relying on the two of you continuing to be oh so polite and not saying anything to rock the boat. Bad behaviour should never be at all rewarded by you.

Apart from anything else both sets of parents here if you remain in any form of contact with them, will likely continue to ride roughshod over you both.

Is that what you want to show your child, it will do that child no favours at all for him/her to see you both as her mum and dad so disrespected.

DoreenLethal · 09/10/2015 06:57

Not sure about 3-4 months, how about 30-40 years? They sound horrendous.

Take to wearing gloves at all times and if the MIL swoops in just put your hand in between and then go wash the gloves. ANYONE that self centred to put other people at risk with coldsores needs to be put firmly in their place IMHO.

Sparrowlegs248 · 09/10/2015 06:59

I wouldst let MIL hold the baby at all.

magnificatAnimaMea · 09/10/2015 07:02

Hadn't thought of the immunization schedule. That makes the earliest trip 5 months. Expecting in May, so that would be late October or early November (spring over this side of the world).

Hmm, that's close enough to Christmas that we might actually be able to avoid going at Christmas???? Bloody loathe Christmas - it's insanely expensive and a complete bunfight to travel, and is then populated by irritating family members either being put-upon or aggressive or arrogant or some combination of all three. And the big meal and presents aspect just brings out the worst in everyone.

But can I get away with 5 months?

I'm not planning to be wet about it, but i genuinely don't really know what to say that would successfully get the idea across that we genuinely do not want this kid to meet the extended family for that long. Our parents don't have form for being sensitive or particularly empathetic - they're quite likely to scoff and ignore us and do their own thing. Short of letting them get on with it and then closing hte door in their face when they turn up, I'm not entirely sure how to deal with it!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/10/2015 07:09

Given your own parents ingrained behaviours as well, do you think that they would actually agree to such a request?. Cannot see that at all happening.

Why would you at all want to remain in contact with either set of parents for that matter?. All of them sound awful to be anywhere near.

FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 09/10/2015 07:12

If you enthusiastically put your plan forward to them as "we will visit you as soon as possible after the baby is born" at first, to put them off planning anything. Then once the baby is born say, "we just have to wait for the right vaccinations before we travel, then we'll book" being vague about knowing the vaccination schedule, and then a bit later, "since it looks like it's not idea until October, we can come then instead of Christmas and have a big family do"

That way it's not you saying "5 months" it's you pushing it back bit by bit. Offer lots of skyping too.

You do need to be firm with MIL. Don't call it a cold sore, call it facial herpes, and say over and over that if the baby catches herpes from MIL the baby could be seriously ill. If MIL doesn't take that seriously, then she cannot hold the baby. It's not worth the risk.

I had a cold sore when I first met my niece. I was dying to cuddle her, but didn't. Because I love my niece and didn't want to hurt her.

I've cuddled her a lot since :)

Mehitabel6 · 09/10/2015 07:12

I was going to come on and say YABU BUT having read it I would most definitely put them off!