To not want to hear anything about the suffragettes

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How am I meant to support a movement that was disgustingly racist just because I benefit from it being a white female.

The feminist movement is still subtly racist with a lot of white feminists refusing to see white privilege.

The argument of being of its time doesn't wash. Racism is racism and I refuse to support it.

I have never hero worshiped gandhi. I have always known he was racist.

I've read quite a lot on mlk and mx, I've also read loads on the black panthers. I don't think they are hero worshipped anymore. In fact their sexism has really tainted what they achieved.

I agree with that cleaty. Men do get recognition and admiration, but the suffragettes as women seem to be held to a higher standard.

Also agree with ego the hero worship for them is justified. What they did was incredibly brave and obviously important, we all benefit from it, not just in terms of being able to vote, but all the things that came from that.

In fact, they don't get the recognition they deserve. The controversy this film and the quote from EP have caused are indicators of that. If more people were more knowledgeable about the UK suffrage movement they would be able to put it into context.

ego I believe feminism should be for every women but there are many woc who don't feel feminism is for them. If feminism is about equality then that includes every woman being equal. If all women stood together things really could change.

There was a really interesting thread a few months ago about thisif you'd like me to link.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2316090-Feminism-for-women-of-colour?pg=1

It's a eye opener.

If you read the thread I linked you will understand my subtle racism comment.

Miley was free to experiment, feminists around the world stood up for her right but rhianna was never defended and was looked down on for expressing her sexual freedom.

I believe feminism should be for every women but there are many woc who don't feel feminism is for them.

What does this have to do with the suffergettes, a group from over 100 years ago which campained for votes for ALL WOMEN. Had Indian and black women march with them and supported the movement in India?

I don't see the connection?

Ego you asked me if I feel feminism ignores the issues of the black female community. Now you don't want the answer

Miley was free to experiment, feminists around the world stood up for her right but rhianna was never defended and was looked down on for expressing her sexual freedom.

Are you actually suggesting that this is the fault of the Suffragettes? Because otherwise, it's got fuck all to do with this thread.

So you don't like the suffergettes because there are a lot of Non-white women who don't feel todays feminism is for them?

Jason the problem a lot of woc have with that is they feel used. Like yey you helped us with our issues and our colonial feminism now bye.

Since we wouldn't have feminism without the suffragettes I don't see how they're not unrelated. Anyway you asked me a question and I answered. This thread has a lot off different tangents HTH.

Jason the problem a lot of woc have with that is they feel used. Like yey you helped us with our issues and our colonial feminism now bye.

And these people must now be 100 and something years old?

Since we wouldn't have feminism without the suffragettes I don't see how they're not unrelated

We wouldn't have the moden human race without cavemen, Maybe we should bring caveman rights into this?

So OP, we wouldn't have feminism without the suffragettes and you are critical of feminism. Are you trying to say that the suffragettes were wrong and it would have been better if feminism hadn't happened ?

It is very hard to see your point as I do not understand how you can blame the suffragettes for what you perceive as the failings of modern feminism (or perhaps just individual feminists). That is the connection other posters are struggling to understand.

Sorry, but this thread is like trying to nail jelly to a wall. The subject under discussion seems to slide around all over the place.

What i think has happened, at least what appears to have happened, is the OP got the suffgettes mixed up with the US suffragists. Now doesn't want to admit that whatever site she read the information from was wrong / misleading and is now clawing away trying to find any issue to avoid admitting the mistake.

"You can look at other groups who have campaigned for rights - but "forgot" about the rights of groups within those groups."

That's it. Any other group of people are allowed to campaign for rights that specifically concern them. It seems only women are expected to campaign for everyone. It's a horrible diversionary tactic.

I agree Jason!