To dislike "Radical Feminism"

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I've got nothing against feminists that fight for womens rights and genuinely want the best the best for everyone and don't hate anyone, but "RadFems" tend to be full of bitterness and hatred. And I'm not just talking about kids, these are high profile, intelligent women with power and influence. Do you think it's unreasonable to dislike something where most people think men are inherantly evil and to be feared? Or do you think their hatred is fair and we should respect them for their good work in trying to make humans hate eath other even more?

Like, I said, I have nothing against Feminism, it's done a lot of great work down the years and still does, but "Rad Fem" and "Feminism" are too completly different things in my opinion. Is this a wrong conclusion?

AIBU?

It doesn't strongly imply harming a male infant! It implies someone other than the mother should care for him.

I don't agree, but it isn't implying harm.

I would expect men to speak up about sexism and misogyny. I woukdn't expect BME men to call each other out on how they talk about racism or gay men to call each other out on how they talk about homophobia.

Yeah, but that's always happened, hasn't it? Countless millions of babies have been killed because of their genitals and continue to be killed for the same reason. So that statement lacks punch.

Since we're not used to male genitalled babies suffering the same treatment, any suggestion of other than perfect maternal behaviour has the power to shock and horrify. I'm pretty sure that the woman who wrote that statement was trying to inspire that reaction.

I imagine she thought she was making a point in a safe place where people with agendas would wilfully misinterpret her statement to discredit feminists by association.

I expect at least that men call out violent behaviour by other men and discuss how to prevent it.
I don't see violent behaviour by transfems to call out.
Trans feel offended by words from a few radfems, whereas trans and biological women are physically hurt, even murdered, by the behaviour of men.
A quantum leap in severity of injury.

Sorry Buffy - just realized you said the exact same thing! I got interrupted whilst writing my post so x-posted with you!

Policing how women speak is an important part of patriarchy and oppression. Women must speak quietly, not offend, put others' first, ask nicely. See this thread for examples of people rejecting radical feminism without any meaningful understanding of what it is because it sounds too strident. In Turkey, women are discouraged by powerful men from laughing in public. It is a political decision not to further this by policing women's language. It's not comparable with men calling out each other'so sexism and misogyny.

Srsly Ego, are you suggesting policing of language isn't gendered? You don't believe that, surely?

I don't know what her intentions were, or whether she was a radical feminist though.

From what I recall she claimed to be a radical feminist. I recall there being support on that thread for the view that objecting to dead naming is being a drama queen. It doesn't seem drama queenish to me.

scallops I don't think it matters that no woman is killing or refusing to nurture baby boys but how is it possible to take seriously anyone who says "Females don’t have to kill baby boys. Just not nurture them. Females are forced to birth baby boys, but beyond that a female’s physical actions are her own"

Likewise Bindel's pronouncements on heterosexuality and how it won't survive. Who outside committed radical feminist circles will take that seriously?

I fully supported CP in speaking out, but she was speaking out against sexist male behaviour, btw.
That didn't mean we all ignored other discrimination and violence against women to do this

Trans seem to reserve nearly all their venom for radfems.
Example: trans want to share womens toilets because they feel vulnerable to violence in the mens loos. We object because we then feel unsafe, so trans keep attacking us, instead of those committing the violence of which we are all afraid.

My puzzlement is not that trans criticise aspects of radfem, but the amount of energy and time they devote to this, compared to criticising violent men.
It seems we are their main enemy, not the violent patriarchal society.