To dislike "Radical Feminism"

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I've got nothing against feminists that fight for womens rights and genuinely want the best the best for everyone and don't hate anyone, but "RadFems" tend to be full of bitterness and hatred. And I'm not just talking about kids, these are high profile, intelligent women with power and influence. Do you think it's unreasonable to dislike something where most people think men are inherantly evil and to be feared? Or do you think their hatred is fair and we should respect them for their good work in trying to make humans hate eath other even more?

Like, I said, I have nothing against Feminism, it's done a lot of great work down the years and still does, but "Rad Fem" and "Feminism" are too completly different things in my opinion. Is this a wrong conclusion?

AIBU?

Your right ego but that's not what you are doing.

That might have been true forty or fifty years ago, Lass, but simply isn't the case now

So a change in abortion law is imminent?

Legislators in Ireland cannot change the prohibition on abortion. It is a constitutional issue. And every time the Irish people have voted on abortion since 1992, they have voted to liberalise the current regime.

It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about.

Lass Those must be secular bishops in the House of Lords then?

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And the monarchy is a secular institution, right?

I don't follow your post. Constitutional issues can be changed in other countries - the US has made many amendments to the constitution.

Also voters have voted to liberalise abortion? Yet it's still only legal in very limited circumstances?

Not that your replies address what to me seems an enormous elephant in the room- how can one be a feminist yet be a member of a religion which denies basic and fundamental freedoms to women (note "one" is generic not you personally )

In Ireland the constitution can only be altered by popular referendum.

Like I said, it might be an idea to actually learn about the situation in Ireland before you try to use it to bolster your points.

I'm not disputing the second part of your post, btw, just pointing out the inaccuracies in your use of evidence.

I can think of another Western country, or in fact more than one, in the EU, where the major religion has an enormous influence on the state. Ireland is far from being the only one.

Lass I'm an atheist and agree with you to some extent about the cognitive dissonance that must be faced by feminists from certain religions.

But... I can't see how it's relevant to this thread.

It's only relevant as religion was mentioned on the thread. I'm not a radical feminist but it was of interest to me how radical feminism deals with it. From the replies it seems to be a bit of a fudge.

I don't think anyone describing themselves as a radical feminist on this thread has also professed religion. Personally, I don't think religion has anything to do with radical feminism except as another patriarchal institution contributing to the oppression of women in society in general. This article suggests feminists are less likely to be religious in general. I'd imagine any radical feminist who was also, say, a Christian would have to deal with it the way everyone else does and cherrypick the bits they like and leave out the bits they don't.

One religious site does have explicit instructions for dealing with radical feminists, though, which would suggest to me that radfems don't tend to be all that religiously inclined.

On the other hand, there is a feminism and religion site, so there is obviously a conversation going on about it.

"It's only relevant as religion was mentioned on the thread."

Except that nobody here is RadFem and religious. It was Autumn's straw man, shortly after her attempts at redefining the word 'radical' failed and she claimed dictionary definitions are not correct.

I can't speak for other posters but I ignored Autumn's attempts to talk about religion because they struck me as entirely irrelevant and just a desperate desire to move the conversation on from the ridiculous corner she'd painted herself into where she was objecting to radical feminism purely on the grounds that she doesn't like the word radical.

Religion was mentioned by someone hell bent on derailing the thread.

Did you really mean to continue that derail, Lass?

There might be an interesting discussion to be had on religion and feminism but it won't be had on this thread.

Undoubtedly Flora, and agreed, not on this thread.

Everything can be questioned. Action is often better than debate though. Through our lives we show women can achieve, refuse to serve, out earn men, rule, give good example and all the rest.

*Religion was mentioned by someone hell bent on derailing the thread.

Did you really mean to continue that derail, Lass?*

So asking what is, or indeed if there even is a, radical feminist view on religion is derailing the thread.

It's not apparent to me what the thread is even about now - Buffy and Ego seem to be having a private argument about methonds of interpretation and techniques of argument.

Threads go off on all sorts of tangents.

Actually Plays as you have appointed yourself thread monitor what is permitted on this thread?