To dislike "Radical Feminism"

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I've got nothing against feminists that fight for womens rights and genuinely want the best the best for everyone and don't hate anyone, but "RadFems" tend to be full of bitterness and hatred. And I'm not just talking about kids, these are high profile, intelligent women with power and influence. Do you think it's unreasonable to dislike something where most people think men are inherantly evil and to be feared? Or do you think their hatred is fair and we should respect them for their good work in trying to make humans hate eath other even more?

Like, I said, I have nothing against Feminism, it's done a lot of great work down the years and still does, but "Rad Fem" and "Feminism" are too completly different things in my opinion. Is this a wrong conclusion?

AIBU?

"People are people at the end of the day and some are gender fluid so Im not sure there should be a [word] in any dictionary."

So words should not have definitions? Do you live in a book written by George Orwell?

"If so, it should not be used to quote about another person saying severe is wrong."

What in the name of all that is rational is that even supposed to mean?

Most really important advances are brought about by compromise in a thinking feeling society.

The OP's main question was
"Do you think it's unreasonable to dislike something where most people think men are inherantly evil and to be feared?"

My answer to that is I have yet to meet a radfem with those views.

The OP's sympathies seem to be more with the Mens Rights movement, because they are the ones who often make that slur.

There are many GFs that post once, then sit back wanking laughing while feminists argue among themselves

Why the anger Cotes?

I stated that "radical" is not the way.

I stated that a "word" in a dictionary is sometimes not relevant.

I am not and will not be any part of "radical".

I've been on MN for years and I know a goady opening post when I see one.

Ego - Why on earth are you reporting my post? [puzzled]

Sorry if you thought that was offensive, but I thought it was fairly obvious to all (including yourself) that you don't believe the dictionary definitions of the words 'female' and 'woman'. As in:

Female: Of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

Woman: Adult human female.

Autumn When you say "radical is out of date in our society and no longer needs to be" do you mean we have achieved nearly all the aims for a decent society ?

If so, I strongly disagree:

. Womens' rights, especially freedom from male violence

. Racism, unequal treament by the police and society. In the US, many hundreds of African Americans are unjustly killed by the police each year, because of their race. In the UK, people of colour have a higher chance of dying in a police cell.

. The obscene income and wealth divide

. Climate change, the deaths, wars and mass migrations this will cause

......

Autumn - There is no anger. There is some surprise. And a bit of eye-rolling.

Your posts are odd in general but that last sentence I quoted was downright nonsensical. Would you care to explain what you meant there?

"If so, it should not be used to quote about another person saying severe is wrong."

Most major changes are not brought about by compromise. Right for women to vote, Equal Pay Act, ending trans atlantic slavery, rights for trade unions, all of these rights were won through struggle, often bloody struggle.

I have no idea why you have to do extremes BigChoc.

I think you will find the confident non screamers that know right from wrong get the job done without putting peoples backs up.

I am trying not to engage with you - yet you keep mentioning my name on here. If I engage, I get accusations of "me railing". Play the debate, not the person.

So hypocritical. Weren't you the one who goaded Cote initially last night, with your post 'Says the person who....'

And now you say 'play the debate not the person?'

Curious - autumn, would you agree that our reliance on fossil fuels needs a radical reform?

But the job hasn't been done yet has it autumn? If we pretend for a moment that radical feminism has been renamed fluffy feminism, what other compromises would you like to see.

And some changes are economic. Women got nurseries in WWII because they wanted women in work. Women were turfed out of jobs after WWII because men needed jobs. Money usually talks.

I have no idea where fossil fuels are relevant

Id like to see a time where feminism is enough. I am a feminist, its enough. Im not radical, I want change but Im willing to listen and compromise. So much more gets done by listening to concerns and making a pathway without resentment.

What do you think women should compromise on?

Autumn - I think most contributors on this thread agree that you decided you don't like word radical next to word feminism.
For some unexplained reason you don't agree that the adjective "radical" in Radical Feminism describes it as per earlier definition of this word.

iamaboveandBeyond is asking if you agree with her statement where she uses word radical by writing "would you agree that our reliance on fossil fuels needs a radical reform?"

posters would like to gauge where you draw a line for using word radical and why

You haven't answered though, autumn, forget the name for a moment (please) what are you going to compromise on.

Autumn I can't follow your chain of thought at all. You say you aren't a radical feminists because you don't like the word 'radical', but you won't say what actual elements of radical feminism you don't like apart from the name. Then you attempt to redefine what radical means (unbalanced) and claim that the actual meaning of radical amounts to nothing more than a disingenuous point of view and the 'real' meaning is whatever you think it means at the time. Then when it is asked if it was called something else you would support it we are told "No one has to change it to cozy fluffy feminist either? why are you being so ridiculous?"
And then when people ask you if you accept the word 'radical' in other contexts (banking, climate change) you either ignore them or pretend you don't understand why they are asking.

Oh, I've just got it. You're a goady fucker. Carry on.

Autumn It is the radicals who have done the important work so far.

If it's "extreme" to be angry at 85,000 rapes per year, at the plight of our BME young - especially young men, incidentally - and at those with disabilities or MH issues abandoned to starve, then I plead guilty to extremism and radicalism.

On change. Change is better when its done gradually, it sticks without resentment. If I had many rights (as men do) screaming that I had them would just make me want to keep them. A gradual phase out is better. Calling myself a "Radical Feminist" will get backs up. Anything done gradually and surely is a better answer.