To dislike "Radical Feminism"

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I've got nothing against feminists that fight for womens rights and genuinely want the best the best for everyone and don't hate anyone, but "RadFems" tend to be full of bitterness and hatred. And I'm not just talking about kids, these are high profile, intelligent women with power and influence. Do you think it's unreasonable to dislike something where most people think men are inherantly evil and to be feared? Or do you think their hatred is fair and we should respect them for their good work in trying to make humans hate eath other even more?

Like, I said, I have nothing against Feminism, it's done a lot of great work down the years and still does, but "Rad Fem" and "Feminism" are too completly different things in my opinion. Is this a wrong conclusion?

AIBU?

Ego I would say your propensity to enter women's conversations and then try to frame them around yourself at the expense of meaningful dialogue was a direct result of your male socialization

Fucking hell.

If this is an example of radical feminism, you can keep it. What an unnecessarily aggressive and downright cuntish thing to say.

I agree Minecraft. That's why I stay away from the trans threads. There is aggression on both sides but there are some vocal MNers who are pretty vile.

Most people don't agree with every tenet of the movements they align with, I don't see that feminism would be any different. Plus I'm not sure that there is that much orthodoxy in feminism except perhaps in academia.

It should also be said that radical feminism isn't really focused on the individual, the issues with transgenderism are philosophical to do with the concept of gender. The transgender movement embraces and endorses gender while radical feminism rejects it as oppressive. Of course there will be conflict.

i am thankful for radical feminism as one last outpost in feminism free of dick worshipping

Minecraft I would say your propensity for taking comments out of context then extrapolating thoughts about the entire character of a person and a movement are examples of your poor critical thinking skills head tilt.

TheXXed is not vile. What she said isn't unnecessarily aggressive, or "downright cuntish".

You need to know the 100-thread background story to know why she is correct in that assessment.

As I said in my post, accepting you as an equal and joining in the fight.

People here are not necessarily organised activists but seem to align their points of view with radical feminism.
They may even disagree with the majority or most vocal activists on the movement. But the main ideas should not be rejected because of some people who defend them. Certainly not without having an alternative.
Do you think it's the concept itself or the people who act according to it?

Ego how many threads are you going to derail? You have exhausted the goodwill of several posters.

nooka is entirely right. The two movements can never meet in the middle, they are fundamentally opposed. Can't we just leave it at that?

"I am sure if you belonged to a certain group - and there was another group that refused to accept you, then you wouldn't like it as well."

What an odd thing to get worked up about. I would not be surprised at all that another group (not the one I belong to) refuses to accept me.

E.g.: I am a woman. Men refuse to accept me as one of them. (Because I am not one of them)

E.g.: I am white. Black people refuse to accept me as one of them (Because I am not one of them).

What seems to be the problem?

Gah. Just helped Ego derail the thread. Sorry all.

Excuse me. Are you saying that I called you "he" and got deleted for it?

Never happened. I have never called you "he". (And that is because it is only polite to call people how they like to be called.)

I am sure if you belonged to a certain group - and there was another group that refused to accept you, then you wouldn't like it as well

It depends what you mean by 'refused to accept'. There are times when it's entirely appropriate to refuse to accept other people, a white woman at a woc meeting, a married mother at a single parent group, a man in a woman only space. Other times it's not acceptable such as buying goods or services or the vast majority of jobs etc.

Ego I would say your propensity to enter women's conversations and then try to frame them around yourself at the expense of meaningful dialogue was a direct result of your male socialization

I would say this was bang on the money. This happens thread after thread after thread.

You are fucking lying. HTH.

Go sober up, Ego. You are embarrassing yourself.

And I have always been of this view. See here a post from 2014:

CoteDAzur Mon 30-Jun-14 20:19:33
"Surely if someone identifies as 'she' they are 'she' regardless of their genitalia and vice versa?"
Sure, if someone wants to be called 'she', that's what I will call her - that is the only polite thing to do.
But is an adult human male with a functional penis a woman (or a "real woman", whatever that means) because she feels like a woman?
And if so, is a little 5-year-old girl to be called a woman if she says she feels like a woman? Will it be ageist to say "No, you are not a woman, because you are only 5"?

If all the posts in question were deleted how can anyone prove anything? The thread will just have gaps where posts have been removed by mumsnet.