To think an English teacher should know the correct pronunciation of Glamis?

[susannahmoodie]

As in Thane of......?

Or is it now ok to say "glam-mis"??

no

I do know the gist of the story though, and can highly recommend the Japanese version by Kurosawa, Throne of Blood which is a masterpiece.

Clearly not !!

Just texted DF to ask how you pronounce it, he's an ex-English teacher.

"Glarms/Glarmz" angry - I nearly choked on my coffee. Always "Glamz", anything else makes me shudder.

Don't worry about it. It probably got corrupted from 'Glamz' to 'Glarms' the way everything with an 'a' sound north of Watford Gap does round here. (Hertfordshire: birthplace of the QM.)

I wonder how shakesphere himself would have pronounced "Glamis". Did Shakesphere never visit scotland? Certainly his spelling was interesting. The guy couldn't make up his mind how to spell his own name yet alone the name of his characters. It would be interesting to know how shakesphere did his historial research for his plays. How did he know how to spell or pronounce the names of his characters. Did Elizabethans pronounce names of places or people in the same way that we do?

I am in awe of anyone who can tolerate being in a room with 30 grumpy hormonal teens. I can forgive them for not knowing how to pronounce "Glamis".

stands on gigantic soapbox

`FOR GODSSAKE - I JUST ANSWERED THAT QUESTION!
SHAKESPEARE INTENDED IT TO BE PRONOUNCED GLAM-ISS!
TWO SYLLABLES!
HIS IS NOT THE MODERN PRONUNCIATION, BUT THE TEACHER IS RIGHT!

For evidence, see my posts on previous page.

Blimey, what does a girl have to do to get attention round here?!

(I am joking by the way.

But not really).

did you say something Holly? Sorry didn't quite catch it...

We're all studiously ignoring your posts, Holly. Otherwise they might draw a close to our latest teacher-bashing thread, and where would be the fun in that? How else are we supposed to get our smug fix?

Thanks, Really. Teaching is a brilliant job. Generally, the grumpy teenagers are the least of our worries.

It's the meddling pedants full of pointless criticism who really make it hard. And Michael Gove.

As an aside:

Excellent detective work Holly.

"RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR"

That's from the little-known play Queen Shove. It's the moment where I give up in frustration and do a flashmob dance scene to Steps instead. With the witches from Macbeth.

That's not an A, by the way, Holly*

They've been banned until all students can pronounce Glarmzzzzz proper.

In other news, I take great delight in finding ways to mispronounce place names to FIL, who is a pedant about such things. So far, my best may be 'Bye-chester' for 'Bicester',at which he went an admirable shade of purple. At Christmas, I shall wheel out 'Gla-miss' and see if I can't make him splutter over his sherry.

We had an English teacher who insisted on reading the dad part of "The Owl Service" in a faux Welsh accent. When a main theme of the book was that this family were incomers from the Midlands!

THAT kind of thing is far more unforgivable than Glam-is or Glarmz or Glamz don't you all think?

Ditto the O level English teacher who sneeringly told me that "James Joyce is not a 'good' writer"

"There seem to be a number of posters here who know the pronounciation of everything and the value of nothing."

This is officially my new favourite thing. I intend to use it loads and pretend it's mine. Thank you!

There is a place in Scotland called Chatelherault. It's my favourite, because the local pronunciation is approximately 'Shat-lee-roe' (shortened it's more like 'Shatly roe'). Cracks me up every time. I am of course side-tracking to avoid engaging with Holly ' s post ??!

I don't think the mispronunciation of a word is a problem in itself. However, any English teacher would know that pronouncing Glamis as 2 syllables would upset the metre. But then, if they've never read/seen Hamlet then how would they know that?

But, it's most certainly Glamz and not Glaams. The Scots would always pronounce it Glamz. Glaams would be a RP interpretation of that.

At the risk of siddling into pedants' corner Holly it depends on the context the teacher was using it.

Quoting from the text "Thane of Gla-miss, Thane of Cawdor." - correct.

but ' If we went to Gla-miss today we'd still see a castle, but that mostly dates from the 17th century.' Incorrect.

But in the overall scheme of things utterly trivial.

Holly, even if that were true, both the town and the castle were in existence long before Shakespeare. And both are pronounced, Glamz. Although that negates the whole concept that English teachers show know that more than anyone else.

I would judge.
English Literature was not my specialism - I only studied it to O Level - but even I know how to pronounce Glamis.

Nomorerenting- what's the correct Scottish pronunciation of Elsinore..........

Look, I can't quote the Scottish play on here because my granny was an actress and its ingrained in me that should I quote it the Internet would blow up or the universe end or something ...

But since egoquis has kindly taken that risk up thread, can I point out that in two of the three examples you need a two syllable pronunciation to get a proper iambic pentameter. The third one you need a one.

My suspicion is that being a jobbing hack, Shakespeare didn't know or care what the exact pronunciation was.

credentials: 1st class English degree and PhD. Too much time studying and watching Shakespeare. Lamentable ignorance of many other great literary works which is what happens if you spend all your time on the canon

DF pronounces it "Glaams" to rhyme with "arms". I'm very relieved!

Cannot compute how those words rhyme . Am becoming traumatised by this thread...