to think Corbyn is dead in the water

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Yes he's a nice chap with a nice beard, but silliness (principled though it might be) like refusing to sing the national anthem is not going to endear him to more than a small minority of the population.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34263447

And the signs are that he intends to be the gift that keeps on giving, in terms of pointless gestures that don't really achieve anything but make him a mega-target for the right-wing press.

Either he gets turfed out before the next GE, or he surpasses Michael Foot as the biggest loser in Labour's history.

he has galvanised those who felt left out of politics

No lots of Barmy idiots joined the Labour Party to vote him in and successfully de railed the party.

You really think the poor and disadvantaged and working classes will thank you for successfully guaranteeing another Tory victory.

People who voted for him played political games to cause mischief and those people are probably those in secure middle class jobs and life styles or closet Tories.

You won't be forgiven by the country you know.

Ffs.

Why is believing in fairness and equality an outdated ideology? The world is totally fucked if that's the case.

Exactly rage - it's not courage of his convictions, because if it was, he wouldn't care about the impact of his principled choices on the party.
He's making a public point.

If he genuinely stood by his principles, he wouldn't have accepted his position on the Queens Privy Council.

Exactly. It isn't the courage of your convictions if you flip flop depending on what suits you.

His economic ideas are being quite well received by economic journalists. Which I find interesting.

It did seem dogmatic of the Tories to not invest in infrastructure during a downturn.

People only think he's u elect able because the press are telling them so. It's not an objective fact. Even if it is true today, if a week is a long time in politics, 5 years is an eternity. Nobody can tell who is or isn't going yo be electable in 2020.

food banks
zero hour contracts

Sorry, both of those started under Labour.

I wouldn't sing the national anthem either. It's similar to how, when I have to go to church, I don't sing the hymns and I don't pray. I stand in silence for the hymns and sit in silence for the prayers, I think it would be disrespectful to do anything else. This just highlights, once again, that our national anthem is completely out of date and divisive.

Hellocampers

New Labour was rejected in 2010.
Milliband's "centrist" ground was rejected in 2015.

The neo liberal boil has been lanced from New Labour. Those opposed to the tories do not want a blue Labour alternative. Get over it.

He won't be in post in 2020. The Labour Party stab in the back quicker than the Tories. I give him a year and he will be off.

Snakesandbastards, most people aren't complaining about those on £50k losing their child benefit.
I'm a single mum earning £15k and the Tories' cuts mean next year I'll lose £150 a month in tax credits. I think that's the sort of thing people are complaining about.

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He's in favour of homeopathy, therefore I can't take anything he says or does seriously. God know how much NHS resources he'd waste on it."

Oh bollocks, he isn't, is he?

Yeah, okay, JC is "dead in the water." But that's only because of the relentless drip, drip, drip of us being told he is. 48 hours, for f%&*'s sake.

Better to look at what we've got - an embarrassment of a PM who's the laughing stock of the EU leaders and a government full of out-of-touch excuses for MPs - cutting IT and the top rate of tax while slashing TCs for people who, in the main, genuinely do work hard, unlike them.

Better to look at what we've got - an embarrassment of a PM who's the laughing stock of the EU leaders and a government full of out-of-touch excuses for MPs

Oh yes what an embarrasment and the EU leaders are all brilliant arnt they

I disagree. If he's a hard and fast republican who refuses to sing the national anthem, why is he therefore willing to swear into the privy council, kneel to the Queen, kiss the Monarchs hand and swear an oath in olde English says you'll do anything and everything to defend the monarchy remaining in power. If he had said no due to principles, Cameron would have looked a right arse for saying weakly "well, we offered" which everyone and their dog would have seen through. There could be some fix-around to allow him to access to the information instead. Tradition is one thing, but also movement with the times also. You can't tell me that you don't think that there isn't a small corner within Whitehall that hasn't thought of this problem, think tanked it and written a paper to solve it.

Autumn - they are better than DC.

I don't sing the National Anthem either.

All the supporters here are completely missing the point and diverting attention away from JC by criticising the Tories and anyone else including the queen.

Corbyns policies are unworkable. Let's hand over the running of the country (again) to the unions and see where it gets us.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

Oh bollocks, he does.

Bertrand - you'll find that Charlie Windsor is also a great advocate of homeopathy

Perhaps they can bond over a shared love of homeopathy?

Bloody he'll people sounds like moronic Sun characetures when they say "loony left'

Also, it's important that he's a member of the privy council as it means he gets information of security threats etc. It doesn't make him a hypocrite. Just practical.

I wish people would stop saying those concerned about JC are swallowing the media bias. We are not.

And I wish people would stop answering every concern with some flippant remark about Cameron and the Tories.

I don't give a shite about DC and the Tories. I have never voted Tory . I never will vote Tory.

I am however deeply concerned about the Labour Party and what this means for us. Like lots of other members and voters.

Dismiss us all you like but we are not going to just stop asking questions!

I'm not necessarily in favour of all the cuts but how do we pay off the national debt?

If JC had some workable policies, apart from not renewing trident, he would be taken seriously.