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BIL has almost assaulted DP in front of 5YO DSD. We need advice

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yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 16:52

Hi all we live next door to DP's brother and his GF. DP's brother is 10 years older than DP and they have never gotten on well. Their dad died when they were all young (DP wasn't even born) and he passed most of his assets (including a large amount of land) on to BIL who was 10 at the time.

He has incessantly bullied his mother and DP for years now, he has always known that he has some sort of control over them due to what he has inherited and has used this as a stick to beat them both with. He will pick fights with DP for little or no reason at all and already has a criminal record for GBH against DP which he got around 7 years ago.

We have always tried to keep ourselves to ourselves and keep out of their way but it's proving difficult. They're doing everything they can to make life difficult, whether it's moving wheelie bins to almost inaccessible places or making it difficult for DP to run his business (which is at home, BIL also has a business but it is not based here. He just lives here)

Anyway I have been at work today and came back and was told the tale of an altercation between DP and his brother. BIL was waiting outside our house for DP to come in with DSD for his dinner. BIL started shouting his mouth off about a ratchet strap that DP had used and supposedly frayed whilst using it (DP says IT was frayed already and that BIL had bought it second hand) BIL says that he had bought these £20 second hand straps to move equipment worth thousands of pounds and that they are now unusable due to DP allegedly fraying them. DP told him to calm down and said he would buy him some new ones but told him he was stupid to use straps to move such expensive equipment. DSD was witness to all of this. BIL then started to square up to DP and told DSD to move away from him. She refused and clung on to DP, BIL then forcibly removed DSD from DP and put her through the door in our kitchen.

This made DP see red and they grabbed each other by the scruff of the neck and started shoving each ther around. When DP came back in the house DSD had wet herself, she is not in habit of doing this and must've been so scared and upset. DP them said to his brother "do you feel like a big man now? Frightening a 5 YO so much that she wets herself" to which he replied "I couldn't give a shit about her."

I'm so mad I feel sick. I knew he was a piece of work but to put a 5 YO child through that is just horrendous. She hasn't been herself all afternoon. What do we do?? Is there anything we can do officially? We've started logging everything that happens. He's just making it so difficult for us all. Himself and his GF have both openly admitted that they don't like children but I never thought he'd stoop as low as he has done.

We can't move because DPs business is here, it really isn't an option and why the hell should we? We're trying to make the best of everything

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Nonnainglese · 05/09/2015 17:32

Poor little girl
I can't imagine her mother is going to be too impressed.
You know BIL's reputation so for goodness sake look at moving. DP having a business from home shouldn't preclude moving fgs.

You're fuelling the brute's behaviour by staying, I'd have moved long ago.

Charis1 · 05/09/2015 17:38

he has always known that he has some sort of control over them due to what he has inherited and has used this as a stick to beat them both with

What rubbish. He has no control over your DP what so ever. Move away. Why have you not done so already? Why did DP borrow any sort of straps from him, frayed or not? Why are you engaging with him at all? Move away.

Scobberlotcher · 05/09/2015 17:42

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definiteissues · 05/09/2015 17:43

Your partner was equally at fault.
If things are like this you should just move

yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 17:44

Right he's a farmer so we can't just upsticks and move, I don't want to give more away than I have to. DP tried to walk away but BIL kept getting in his face and following and with DSD clinging onto him it didn't make for a quick getaway. He tried to reason with him as he had done many times before.

BIL moved away 10 years ago then came back and demanded that one of the barns be converted so that he could live in it.

BIL had grabbed DP after he put DSD in the house and DP was trying to push him off to get to DSD. We've gone through it again and this is what happened.

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Nonnainglese · 05/09/2015 17:47

Get legal advice.
I suspect that because somehow you agreed to him living next door then you'll have little choice otherwise.

Silvertap · 05/09/2015 17:49

Warring brothers, an inheritance issue and ratchet straps - are you farmers by any chance?

Silvertap · 05/09/2015 17:50

Ha! Guessed right! Does bil own the farm then?

yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 17:55

No BIL doesn't own the farm. He owns the land at the topside of the farm, MIL owns the actual farm and most of the land and the houses, barns etc and is in partnership with DP.

No body anticipated that BIL would return to the farm but he did out of the blue.

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Spartans · 05/09/2015 17:57

So if dp runs a business from his house, why can't you move?

Or is the business the farm?

PrimalLass · 05/09/2015 17:59

Could MIL evict him?

Silvertap · 05/09/2015 17:59

I think you need to be very very wary about the future. What does mil will say?

Spartans · 05/09/2015 18:00

So you have gone through it again and now dp is the victim. If he is going down the police/injunction route he needs to have is stpry straight and not imply it was a fight, then say it was an assault.

I understand it can be confused when you are upset, but he needs to calm down so he can tell them what happened

yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 18:03

The business is the farm spartans he's got MIL bent over a barrel because if she evicts him, he can take away the land that we use for grazing, it's vital really.

We are wary and always looking into other options just incase the worst does happen. My own family my grandads farm that isn't used anymore but we're not banking on it being offered to us to farm although it would be a dream come true if it was.

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yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 18:04

I'm sorry it was probably me misconstruing things - my OP was written in a bit of a rush and as always, unthoughtful wording has caught me out

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Silvertap · 05/09/2015 18:05

Do you have an fbt on the land?

AgentZigzag · 05/09/2015 18:06

Yes, what does your MIL say?

Does she enable your BIL or keep well out of it? How did she deal with your BIL being done for GBH against her other son.

You say he bullies her too, isn't there anyone who can stand up to him?

It sounds like a bloody nightmare OP, you can't be happy living with the threat of him getting at you whenever he feels like it/sees the opportunity.

How long has he been back?

yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 18:07

No FBT (I'm presuming you mean farm business tenancy)

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amarmai · 05/09/2015 18:08

If you are getting legal advice, I'd also check the will that left so much to the older b and ? to the younger. Wills can be challenged and if only 1 son inherited , the other has a basis for a challenge.

ComposHatComesBack · 05/09/2015 18:10

From what you've described your partner was equally at fault, squaring up to his brother and engaging in a silly handbags at dawn pushing match. Both he and his brother need to grow the fuck up.

MsJamieFraser · 05/09/2015 18:10

I hate the whole, you haven't give the whole info in the OP etc... as a topic you do just give the basic info, its just the way MN works... you don't want to give too much... to little etc... so its not that you have worded it incorrectly OP, there is just simply no balance when it comes to anonymity.

yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 18:12

MIL tries to keep out of it, she's very fragile, on 24 hour oxygen and is crippled with arthiritis. She doesn't need this either.

There's no one who can really stand up to him, he seems to think he's invincble.

I'm not happy I'm worried sick. Things calmed down a hell of a lot until a couple of months ago.

His GF has been complaining because DP has been going into the field next to her house with his tractor at 9am (I don't think that this is too early) and also played holy hell because he had parked his trailer outside the shed and she "couldn't see the steam train going past for the glimpse she usually gets as she did the washing up." He's been back 4 years but has assaulted DP before then.

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yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 18:14

amarmai DPs dad died before he was born and when BIL was 10, I'm not sure if it can be challenged

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liquidrevolution · 05/09/2015 18:26

I'm sure it can be challenged! Your Dps father had he lived would almost certainly have left the land to include his exisiting child and any future children.

Have you had legal advice?

yorkshirepuddingacademy · 05/09/2015 18:30

We havent had any legal advice but thank you, it's something to look into.

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