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Is this landlord BU banning children from his pub.

119 replies

greenribbon · 04/09/2015 11:41

He's being interviewed now on This Morning. No children under 10.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 05/09/2015 15:21

sounds fab :)

there are many places that famillies can go to eat/drinks

i work with children as a nanny and night nanny and obv love it but there are times i dont want to see noisy/rude/tired children if i am out for the day/night

and yes the parents fault, they need to keep an eye/ear on their children

would also like an adult only session at the cinema Grin

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JoJoWill · 05/09/2015 17:25

There is loads of pubs around where I live which do not allow children, which is just as it should be. I do often take mine into Weatherspoons for a meal, but not to the pub.

That said - t's only been in about the last 6 years or so that the WMC near us started allowing women in the bar Grin previously we had to drink in the lounge.

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ivykaty44 · 05/09/2015 17:35

There are a few pibs I avoid and don't get my trade as they do leet dc in - so thoseubs that are family friendly with colouring books etc can also lose trade

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LadySheherazade · 05/09/2015 18:42

ivykaty are you in one of those pubs at the moment? Grin

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CalmYourselfTubbs · 05/09/2015 19:35

YANBU.
more power to him.
some kids behave like wild animals and shouldn't be allowed outside, never mind in pubs.

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PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange · 05/09/2015 19:52

I have 2 DC but when I go out for a drink I love a child free evening.

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IonaNE · 05/09/2015 20:03

I guess the bottom line is it's his pub, his business, his choice.
Can I just ask (since on the first two pages, which I have read, most posters seem to be of the above opinion): how is this different from B&B owners turning away same-sex couples? That was their business, but courts have ruled that it was not their choice. If it's a business, it looks like the owners do not have a choice.

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LarrytheCucumber · 05/09/2015 20:37

Slightly different in that it's a pub and children under 18 can't drink alcohol in it, whereas same sex couples are adults and can book and stay in hotels.

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WoodleyPixie · 05/09/2015 20:51

It's not the same as not allowing children into a pub at all.

I think it's great to have a child free pub. I wish there were more child free pubs and restaurants.

I have dc and on a rare night out without them, we actively seek out places where children are not welcome. By the same token when we eat out as family, we try and find places that have a higher expectation of table manners and general behaviour than many of the chains that are family friendly.

So many places now over run with children not behaving and allowed to ruin other peoples meals/relaxation times.

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fastdaytears · 05/09/2015 22:18

Whoa IonaNE is your question for real? I don't think being under 18 is a protected characteristic yet is it?

Anyway, pubs sell alcohol and children can't drink alcohol. There are plenty of child free environments (though judging by this thread not as many as people might like). Children will grow up and then can choose to go to this pub if they want. A same sex couple won't become heterosexual in the future.

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ComposHatComesBack · 05/09/2015 22:47

IonaNE don't be daft. By the same token soft play areas would have to open their doors to allow childless 35 year olds to cavort on the equipment and the Derby and Joan club would have to open to surly teenagers.

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SolidGoldBrass · 06/09/2015 02:03

WRT to not renting double rooms to same sex couples, I do think, actually, that B&Bs run by bigots should be allowed to have their own rules, at least up to a point. As long as it's a small B&B in an area where there are plenty of others, for instance. And the bigots should be obliged to make it very clear, on every travel website and on their signage and any direct marketing they do, that they are a Bigot Hotel.

Kids in pubs? Depends on the pub. I do remember being a bit put out with one pub we stopped at during a Morris tour that not only wouldn't let DS over the threshold but wanted to refuse to serve alcohol to anyone in the party as DS was with us.
(DS and I hid round the corner and someone smuggled me out a pint.)
I'm also not wild about Wetherspoons' current 'family friendly' policy which insists that adults who have a child in their party are only allowed one alcoholic drink each and only with a meal. I don't actually think that me having a half of cider while DS has an orange juice when we have been out all day and want a sit down (but not to eat) is such a terrible thing.

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noiwontstoptalking · 06/09/2015 08:27

Iona by law there are some things you are not allowed to discriminate against they are called 'protected characteristics and include things like disability, race, religious belief and sexual orientation.

So the pub can't refuse to serve you if you are gay, or Jewish or blind or because of your skin colour because that would be discriminating against someone from a protected group.

Age is a protected characteristic but relates to older people eg the pub couldn't refuse to hire a barman just because they were over 50 say.


Google 'protected characteristics'for further info.

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IonaNE · 07/09/2015 21:30

Yes, my question was for real. I am aware that being under 18 is not a protected characteristic but age is. But I mainly raised the question because so many posters said "his business, his choice", and if this is true then the B&B owners were right, too.

Just to be clear: I don't like pubs, so the question of kids or no kids does not apply. I agree with the "his business, his choice" principle and in fact I think the B&B and cake shop owners involved in the same-sex controversy had a point - because it was their business and their choice.

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fastdaytears · 07/09/2015 21:31

No, when it's discrimination based on a protected characteristic it is not the business owner's choice.

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noiwontstoptalking · 07/09/2015 21:37

Iona surely you must see that it's not the same thing at all?

Re the B&B owners and cake shop people. How would you feel if you were in the excluded minority? If a business owner was allowed to not serve you because you were a woman?

I live in a small town with lots of churches. What if the business people started saying 'you don't go to church we won't serve you' is that ok, if it was a fervently held belief?

This argument is the very definition of 'thin end of the wedge'.

The law on this is clear, and with good reason.

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ReallyTired · 07/09/2015 21:47

There are plenty of valid reasons for banning under 18s from pubs. Infact licencing laws (in the 1990s) mean that pubs should have a family room and in theory under 18 are forbidden to come up to the bar to order. The majority of pubs ignore the law and in practice pub landlords are able to make their own decisions.

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SolidGoldBrass · 07/09/2015 22:32

Iona, do you also feel that it's OK for small businesses to refuse to serve people because of their race? Or is it just sexuality that bothers you?

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redstrawberry10 · 08/09/2015 13:59

I am aware that being under 18 is not a protected characteristic but age is.

well, there's your answer then.

I do find that age being a protected characteristic is at the very least inconsistent. It's clear that age can be used for discrimination, at least in one direction (under 18s can't vote, have special rights re: living in parent's home etc etc), so I don't really understand how this works. In any case, forever it's been the case that liquor establishments (stores, pubs etc) treat underagers differently.

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