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to be utterly disgusted with the pictures on the front of some of today's papers?

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Pipbin · 27/08/2015 12:11

I was in the supermarket earlier and saw the front of most of the newspapers. All of them had the TV news people who were shot in the US on the cover.
Some of them had staff pictures of them, the kind of thing that would be on their ID cards for example, but The Daily Mail and the Telegraph had pictures taken from the film that the gunman made showing the second that the poor woman was shot.
This is the last living moments of a person. No one needs to see that and it certainly shouldn't be plastered all over the front of papers for nothing other than titillation.

I know I shouldn't expect too much from the likes of the Mail but I still want to just bitch about it.

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wanderingwondering · 27/08/2015 13:54

Yanbu. I was horrified when I saw these this morning.
Catmilk-one showed the gun firing.

thehypocritesoaf · 27/08/2015 13:56

I agree. I was shocked and disappointed with the times' choice.
Unnecessary and gives no dignity to the victim - to have millions of people see your fear in your last moment is horrendous.

Slippersandacuppa · 27/08/2015 14:02

DH and I watched a chilling film on Tuesday night and woke up to this all over the news the next day. 'Nightcrawler' with Jake Gyllenhal. It's just far too close for comfort and we're both feeling very odd about it all.

The media folk should be ashamed of themselves. But I doubt they will be...

mollie123 · 27/08/2015 14:06

the genie is well and truly out of the bottle now everyone films, shares and prints the most outrageous information/footage which belittles the horror of what is shown and is disrespectful to the victim and their family
20 years ago this would not have been shown Angry

Abraid2 · 27/08/2015 14:08

I agree.

I also found some of the Shoreham coverage in poor taste. These victims are people's loved family members and showing their last seconds of life is disrespectful.

brytte · 27/08/2015 14:12

I'm in agreement. I saw the front cover of the Sun, showing a picture of a moment before the incident and then some writing at the bottom inviting people to watch the full video on their website. I thought, how could you get excited about viewing figures for such a video? Why would you want to incite that kind of behaviour amongst your fellow citizens?

TracyBarlow · 27/08/2015 14:15

I know that the Telegraph spent an hour debating the image used in their splash in conference last night and several more hours in the newsroom talking about it.

Despite what people might think, they didn't use the image to 'sell newspapers', it doesn't work like that with newspaper sales anymore.

They used the image because they know that images like this are important in inciting debate into things like America's gun laws.

FWIW on balance I don't think they should have used the image, but it's really, really not as simple as someone just trying to sell newspapers.

These kind of debates happen in newsrooms up and down the land every day - when people die in crashes, are murdered, are the victims of crimes. I've yet to hear and editor debating in favour of using a graphic image with the words 'it'll shift loads of papers.'

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 27/08/2015 14:18

The DM really are the rubberneckers, the tricoteuses, the ghouls of the media world, aren't they. They'll squeeze every last ounce of juice out of any story, to fill their pages, no matter who it may hurt - just because they can.

It's awful.

Abraid2 · 27/08/2015 14:19

It's a bit like some of the incessant, graphic coverage of the Holocaust that veers away from historical documentary (which is obviously essential) towards ghoulish and graphic accounts of how human beings died in awful circumstances.

Show the dead and their families/descendants some respect. They are not entertainment.

SallyStarbuck · 27/08/2015 14:20

I am sitting in the office staring at the newspaper display right opposite me, of today's and the weekend's papers.

I can see three close ups of the newsreader, and one massive fireball from Sunday's reporting of the air show crash.

It's bloody horrible Sad

The Guardian has at least the decency to show a publicity photo of the newsreader.

thehypocritesoaf · 27/08/2015 14:23

You know you think you or your loved ones being murdered is the worst that could happen- then you realise that could happen and then millions of people will want to watch it again and again and they might put it on the front of newspapers 'in the name of debate'.
It makes me sick.

JeffreysMummyisCross · 27/08/2015 14:26

There's an article in the Guardian about complaints from Facebook and Twitter users that they were subjected to an autoplay video of the shooting.

I really think the early 21st century will go down in history as the point at which civilisation and decency died.

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 27/08/2015 15:10

I know this incident is different as it was being filmed live on tv, but what really gets me is how whenever something awful happens there is mobile phone footage. If I had witnessed a tragedy I simply cannot imagine thinking 'i know, I will just get a couple of shots and a video here' I suppose people do it so they can sell to media bods but honestly, is this what the world has come to? seeing a person dead or dying and your first response is to film it Shock Angry

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 27/08/2015 15:11

I really think the early 21st century will go down in history as the point at which civilisation and decency died exactly this jeremy

BankWadger · 27/08/2015 15:14

YANBU.

I saw the paper display today. No interest in buying any of them this week.

DontHaveAUsername · 27/08/2015 15:50

With only a few exceptional cases I don't agree with censorship but I do think if they were going to show the photos in a paper or the footage on a site there should be a content warning so that people who don't want to see it know to avoid that page.

BarbarianMum · 27/08/2015 15:50

I really think the early 21st century will go down in history as the point at which civilisation and decency died

Yes things have really gone downhill since the good old days of transportation, public hangings and slavery Hmm

Backforthis · 27/08/2015 15:53

The Telegraph is an oversized tabloid.

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 27/08/2015 16:02

hmm yes good point barbarian i expect if they had mobiles then the footage would be out there too Sad

Pipbin · 27/08/2015 16:14

If you are talking about the picture of the pistol being pointed at the lady that isn't the exact moment she was shot, the gun isn't in frame when he fires.

Oh well that makes it better then. Hmm

You can see the woman's face. Her fucking face, the last moments of her sodding life splashed in full colour glory for all to see. No one needs to see that. Nothing is gained from seeing that.
I do not think any newspaper could defend their editorial position.

And as for 'well it's all over Twitter', that's just like a teenager saying that everyone else is going to the party.
I don't care. Newspapers are responsible for their content.

So the Telegraph had a big chat about it. Good for them. They made a poor choice though.

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SwedishEdith · 27/08/2015 16:18

Yes, was queuing today and saw it on the cover of the Mirror. I turned it over.

Pipbin · 27/08/2015 16:26

They used the image because they know that images like this are important in inciting debate into things like America's gun laws.

So a British newspaper needs this because...........?

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Capucine00 · 27/08/2015 16:32

It's a classic example of public interest versus what the public is interested in versus what the press thinks the public is interested in.

There have been plenty of examples throughout print and visual media of difficult and challenging images being used to illustrate a story. The Vietnam War, 9/11, the First and Second WW, the suicides of men and women in the Wall St Crash in the twenties, photos of dead high profile people, famine, natural disasters all provided an endless seam of graphic and unpleasant images. So to say it is recent is incorrect which is seemingly the argument of a lot of people today.

When you use images from 'citizen journalists' you have to apply the code of ethics and fairness of use on their behalf as an editor. You have to remember that people who take photos of something unpleasant have CHOSEN to do that, just as those crowds who witnessed public hangings chose to do so all those decades ago (and still do in many countries who still use CP).

However with digital media increasingly using auto play and not everyone on social media understanding that they can often disable this function, I don't see the same adherence to fairness of use. It is very hard when financial factors increasingly influence what goes on the front page and these decisions are incresingly split second ones, not made overnight whilst you put the print editions to bed. When you have advertisers in close proximity, this gets even harder.

I understand why people find these images hard but we have images of graphic violence and murder in the press all the time. The families, friends and survivors of 9/11 see VT of those planes all the time and they are having to watch the murder of people too albeit faceless.

The incident yesterday makes it harder for us to remain disspassionate. It forces us to engage with the effects of guns, or violence, poor mental health care. We cannot intellectualise when it is there in fromt of us. And that can make us feel angry and project that anger onto the organisations who are effectively preventing us from using our defence mechanisms.,

As for the families, well I sympathise and think it is right and civilised to engage with them before printing certain images and to do everything in our power to help them cope with the necessary photo story being out there. It is NOT right to use these images as click bait and sex them up a la Tarantino like the Sun did, photoshopping the blast from the gun etc.

What is right though is contextualising and telling the story. IF that is a story about the lack of protection afforded news crews, about the ease by which a person with a gun can access a public area, about the professional focus these crews had which was so strong, it meant they did not notice peripheral events such as a gun being pointed at them (because they were in the interviewee / interviewer / camera person triangle) then the images might be justified.

Nonnainglese · 27/08/2015 16:33

It's sickeningly disrespectful to the two people killed and their families and those who knew them.
It's exploitation for the sake of sensationalism, truly awful, along with the repetitive showing of the last moments of those poor people on the news.

ReadyPlayerOne · 27/08/2015 16:38

I agree, sites showing the video or screenshots in the papers are a step too far.

I feel like there's been a sudden lurch over that line lately. The footage of the Shoreham plane crash is also too far. And before that the footage of the woman in China who died in that escalator accident after saving her son.

I haven't watched any of the aforementioned, but the screenshots have been unavoidable following newspapers on Facebook and made me feel quite sick. Yes, for the curious the footage will be available somewhere online, but that is down to video hosting websites to police IMO. It shouldn't be part of the news stories regardless of the warnings posted and I don't believe that's censorship.