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AIBU About Screen Time?

94 replies

LadyNym · 13/08/2015 08:21

I suspect I am being unreasonable but I guess this is the test for just how unreasonable I'm being.

DS1 is three and being assessed for ASD (he definitely has ASD but it's taking an age to get a diagnosis, though it should be at an end soonish). DS2 is 16 months and I have my suspicions but it's too early to tell if he is also autistic. Both boys are hard work.

I used to limit DS1 to no more than about two hours of screen time a day (it was the NHS guidelines I'd read or some other probably arbitrary limit ) but I've gradually increased that until now I'm sure he watches far too much TV and goes on an old laptop now on top of that. It's just so hard to do anything with him. He doesn't 'do' imaginative play so if I get out all his figures he'd prefer to line them up than actually 'play' with them. If he becomes overloaded or bored he starts playing up by basically just doing things he knows he shouldn't over and over (hitting his brother, biting my clothes, throwing toys, running through to rooms he's not allowed into, kicking, tipping out all his toys, finding anything he can reach that he's not allowed etc.). I mean, there are not even seconds in between me stopping him doing one thing to him moving on to the next. Without locking him in a room I don't know how to stop him. He's worse if we've been somewhere or had someone round and his usual routine was interrupted.

And the noise is constant. I know everyone says that about their children but he seriously makes noise all the time. If he's not speaking continuously (his language is very advanced for his age but when he's walking around a lot of it doesn't really make sense; it's more like a stream of consciousness than actual conversation/information), then he's 'verbal stimming' where he'll make various noises (humming one note in short bursts over and over, making a 'brrrr' noise with his lips, cackling, screaming, shouting sounds, babbling) or just hitting/banging things. He'll also randomly scream in his brother's face a lot.

I try to do things with him (drawing, painting, Playdough, making train tracks) but once it's set up he doesn't really like actually playing with things so they don't tend to hold his attention very long. He likes going outside but we're living with my parents at the moment and they have a huge garden (with ponds and concrete steps etc.) so trying to keep him and his brother together and safe is quite exhausting.

I also don't want to do anything that might prompt a meltdown (yesterday he screamed for about 20 minutes and ended up making himself sick because I told him the guy who trimmed my parents' hedge last week was on holiday).

I feel like a shit mum but I don't know how else to get through the day sometimes other than sticking him in front of the TV/a laptop. Although, to be honest, that's no guarantee. I try to limit it more to when his brother's napping but it's not always the case (his brother can be hard work, too, and has decided to start climbing anything and everything so I spend a lot of time trying to move furniture and get him off of tables/chairs/shelves).

I'm sorry it's so long. AIBU to stick DS1 in front of a screen half the day?

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Sirzy · 13/08/2015 10:40

DS hates clothes. We tend to compromise that to go into the garden he has shoes on (another battle ground!) and if it is a sunny day suncream but beyond that I leave it to him. Save the energy for when we need to go out.

Hamiltoes · 13/08/2015 10:42

My DD isn't autistic but i've never limited "screen time" its what she likes. She kinda likes learning and is always coming out with random facts shes learned on TV. I spend most of my time glued to a screen wether its reading, browsing the web or watching TV. I think thats just the way of the world now to be honest.

Sirzy · 13/08/2015 10:42

Do push for an Ot appointment. We have only had one so far and it has helped massively already.

Do you have any sensory areas locally? We have one that I take DS to and it great as it's like a soft play but without hundreds of other children and actually relaxing for him.

Support wise have you ventured into the special needs boards on here? They are great and full of people who understand and can just be a listening ear on a bad day.

SewingAndCakes · 13/08/2015 10:43

It sounds very hard for you and I think you should go with what works for you. Can you access any ASD parenting support?

I'm learning more about coping with ds1 all the time; I know now that he copes reasonably well somewhere for 20-30 minutes before the funny voices, hitting out, and hyperactive behaviours begin. That's when I know to think about leaving, or alternatively, I take his iPad and let him use that to disengage. I ignore the eye rolling from anyone around too ignorant to get it (SIL I mean you).

It's very hard at times and the usual rules of parenting don't work here, but there are many positives too and I try and remember them.

youarekiddingme · 13/08/2015 10:45

I have all the symbols for visual timetable saved that I can print and send you if that helps? I could even laminate them etc for you first?
Youve a lot on your plate - I'm impressed at how coherent you are Brew

LadyNym · 13/08/2015 10:52

To whoever asked: I was going to say we are in the south but no thunder storm here but literally just heard a roll of thunder so I guess it's reached us!

youarekiddingme, that's amazingly lovely. Thank you so much. If it's easier for you I could send you my email address so you could just email as attachments? I don't feel coherent!

Thank you to everyone who has commented. It really has helped calm me down (I didn't see the deleted post and am probably best left in ignorance!).

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Iamralphwiggum · 13/08/2015 10:56

Our eldest has asd and I don't limit screen time. Why make them anxious on purpose is the way I look at it.

chaiselounger · 13/08/2015 11:01

ASD here too and it seems to be the only way I can cope often.
Please stop giving yourself s hard time.

youarekiddingme · 13/08/2015 11:07

I don't think it will email because afaik you need the symbol writer programme to open it. DS is using his netbook ATM (which doesn't have programme) but when he's finished I'll try and email myself from work laptop to that and see if it opens!

EarlyNewDawn · 13/08/2015 11:14

they never learn to play

For a lot of autistics that has nothing at all to do with screen time!

My 'no' was commenting on this^ the thread was moving on quickly and I wasn't refreshing the page.

I certainly didn't mean 'lazy' parenting. What I meant was that (and therefore maybe others who haven't had this scenario presented to them), that sometimes what seems to be the easier option is actually making things harder in the long run.

I was trying to present a different viewpoint to the OP who asked a question. I wasn't trying to be accusing, but wanted to put my side.

I could be way out with your child, but with mine too mech screen time has an adverse affect (even if it works in that moment).

Iamralphwiggum · 13/08/2015 11:16

Screen time calms most autistics ime early.

EarlyNewDawn · 13/08/2015 11:19

But when you take it away/ don't have it available/ can't be offered, then (for us) things can erupt and be far, far worse.

I suppose we prefer to trundle along in the middle ground - not taking the easiest, nor the hardest option - rather than having the roller coaster that is much easiest/ much harder. I find it easier to cope with than trying to cope with extremes.

I hope I'm making sense.

Anyway it's not about me and I don't want to derail the thread.

SewingAndCakes · 13/08/2015 11:21

Early I agree that it can sometimes make things harder (for us anyway); I do my best to stop ds1 using his before school as it can lead to meltdown with all the demands of getting out of the house for a particular time. After school I think it helps him to decompress so I don't restrict his use too much. Now it's the holidays I just do what I need to, to cope Smile

Iamralphwiggum · 13/08/2015 11:22

With dd we do around 6 hours of exercise a day which includes sports clubs, jogs, park. We do struggle with more than that and she is up from 7am until 9pm. Screen time calms her from the excess energy and without screens you would be looking at 10 hours + exercise which isn't sustainable.

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/08/2015 11:27

In general, I'm pretty strict about screen time - having read the research and made my decision - but that research was done with NT children and I think in your case you have so much going on that you need to give yourself a break.

I take Early's point that it can be a short term gain but cause long term issues. I think you are already doing as many other activites with your DCs as possible. Maybe you could cut screen time gradually? but I wouldn't go for big cuts in time just now.

Brew it sounds hard for all of you

Werksallhourz · 13/08/2015 11:30

Odd thought here... Why not let your ds play on his laptop outside if it is battery-powered? Then you are kinda offsetting the screen time with fresh air and some sun (for vit d) and giving him something to comfort himself whilst in a more open space (which could help him to get used to being in a less confined space).

CaptainSwan · 13/08/2015 14:20

Polter I've worked as an LSA in an Autistic school, nannied for children on the spectrum and am a trained ABA tutor only slightly regents having to validate my comments

I'm more than happy to give you support op if you're in shooting distance of London or Cambridge. Timetabling was going to be my next suggestion but I see any other poster has beat me to it! Have you looked into ABA at all op? Peach are a fantastic organisation and if nothing else, the reading list on their website may give you some activity ideas for very young children on the spectrum. At the ages of your children, pathways in the brain can still be made so it's a fantastic thing that's it's been spotted so early!

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CaptainSwan · 13/08/2015 14:20

resents

CaptainSwan · 13/08/2015 14:20

Gah! Thanks

Iamralphwiggum · 13/08/2015 15:42

I have a degree in the area but trust me captainswain you don't really understand until you have lived through it.

Iamralphwiggum · 13/08/2015 15:48

Op I am same as you as I have family members on both sides and my siblings partners relationships. We also have dyslexia, add and adhd in the family.

Iamralphwiggum · 13/08/2015 15:52

That should say all those family members have asd.

PolterGoose · 13/08/2015 16:05

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LadyNym · 13/08/2015 16:12

Sorry I've been absent a while. DS2 was refusing to nap for a long time and DS1 is just being harder work then usual today. I'm also trying to get together anything I might need for our paed appointment tomorrow.

Ah well, so much for that; DS2 is awake again! Back later...

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Iamralphwiggum · 13/08/2015 16:25

Yeah, I worked for a decade with special needs and half my older relatives have special needs. I still now know I had no clue until I had an sn child of my own.