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to wonder how popular Jeremy Corbyn really is?

154 replies

hypnoticrabbit · 10/08/2015 14:15

I really like a lot of his policies and I think he is a breath of fresh air but I wonder if he is really as popular as the press makes out?

Would you vote for him in 2020? If you didn't vote Labour in the GE would you consider voting for them if Corbyn is elected leader?

PS. Before the usual suspects ask, no, not a journalist, just asking out of curiosity.

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ghostyslovesheep · 10/08/2015 15:07

Ten more years at least of this lot as opposed to what - 5 years of something marginally less right wing than this lot but still singing from the same cuts/austerity song sheet?

lostinindia · 10/08/2015 15:22

Yes I will be voting for him and in 2020. He offers hope. I heard him speak on Saturday. He was inspirational. The best thing to happen in politics in a very long time.

MaidOfStars · 10/08/2015 15:23

The list of Labour MPs who voted against the Welfare Bill reforms is interesting reading, and features many much-lauded potential candidates for the leadership, including David Lammy and Sadiq Khan (and, of course, Jeremy Corbyn).

I have to agree with Diane Abbot - "We weren't send to parliament to abstain".

littlehermitage · 10/08/2015 15:26

If Corbyn doesn't get in, will those of you voting for him still vote Labour or vote elsewhere?

prorsum · 10/08/2015 15:32

I agree with a lot of his opinions but I'm not living in an area which votes Tory; thank God they don't stand a chance here, I thinking of areas where Labour might stand a chance with a different leader, one that might win.

I've seen us defeated too many times and I'm not fond of the morning after.

I'd more time for Diane Abbot if she'd have sent her child to a Hackney school.

HowDdo2You · 10/08/2015 15:33

Even if JC only lasts two years, his legacy will be a pull to the left.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 10/08/2015 15:35

"If Corbyn doesn't get in, will those of you voting for him still vote Labour or vote elsewhere?"

I'll vote Green or Independent. I've had enough of New Labour because it's not really Labour at all, it's just diluted Toryism.

MaidOfStars · 10/08/2015 15:36

thinking of areas where Labour might stand a chance with a different leader, one that might win

Don't you think there might be areas where Corbyn represents the best chance of getting people down to the polling stations and putting their cross next to the Labour candidate?

I'd more time for Diane Abbot if she'd have sent her child to a Hackney school

That's a bit ad hominem^ Smile

Do you think it right that the official line of the Labour party is to abstain from a bill that saw massive changes to the welfare system? Do you think that's acceptable?

MaidOfStars · 10/08/2015 15:36

italics fail

ad hominem

grimbletart · 10/08/2015 15:38

Probably draws support from the elderly "proper" socialists and those who were to young to remember the hell that was the 70s.

Mrscog · 10/08/2015 15:39

I wouldn't vote for him, the only one I like is Liz Kendall. She is pretty much the only one who could persuade me to switch my heavy hearted and guilty in many ways Tory vote to a Labour one.

prorsum · 10/08/2015 15:45

No I don't.
What's ad hominem about it? It's a fact and it says a lot about her.

I'm well in the minority on this issue, so so be it. I will pop back and say I told you so. Wink

mollie123 · 10/08/2015 15:47

grimble
exactly
there are still some diehard socialists among the older generation (see the discussion on JC on gransnet Shock) and then there are those - call them young socialists - who do not remember the mess that was the 70s.

MaidOfStars · 10/08/2015 15:49

What's ad hominem about it?

You rejected the validity of a statement made by her re: the job of a politician, based on where she sent her children to school. Ad hominem

No sure what "No I don't" applies to? This? Do you think it right that the official line of the Labour party is to abstain from a bill that saw massive changes to the welfare system? Do you think that's acceptable?

MaidOfStars · 10/08/2015 15:50

I'm well in the minority on this issue
I think this thread will be a skewed cohort, drawn into defend Jeremy Corbyn. I don't think you're in the minority.

Timetodrive · 10/08/2015 15:54

I do not see any of them winning anytime soon, but at least if JC is leader the opposition will be stronger in the House of Commons, and hopefully lead to a revitalised labour with new blood for the next batch of leader candidates that could win a general election.

bettyberry · 10/08/2015 15:59

The press are making him seem really popular so that the masses of labour party voters think he has it in the bag and wont vote. I think... Its a pretty popular ploy used a fair bit.

Make the voters think a candidate has it in the bag, they rest easy, the one they want gets in.

Or maybe I'm really cynical and have a complete distrust for the Murdoch paper empire.... Hmm

prorsum · 10/08/2015 15:59

I've not taken on board anything she said since as the issue of black childrens education is a real issue with me and I expected better from her. IMO it was an absolute disgraceful decision from an MP representing Hackney. We all have our bug bears, that's mine and I'm entitled to make a judgement call on it.

No I don't think it's acceptable, the Labour party as is is not what I would like, but I'm old enough to remember when it had leaders I liked. We could not get elected. I want Labour in power.

MaidOfStars · 10/08/2015 16:02

I am not disputing your right to object to Diane Abbott. I'm just intrigued that the statement I quoted seems pretty self-evident and a good lesson for the general conduct of MPs, yet you dismiss it because of who she is. Had I not given her name, instead typed "As one MP said....", you would have agreed?

I want Labour in power

At the expense of principle?

prorsum · 10/08/2015 16:14

yet you dismiss it because of who she is I dismissed it coming for her. She's not the only person who thinks that, she's patented that idea.

At the expense of principle? What principle? Very few of Labour MPs have the principles of the Left, I know that but Labour is all I've got. I have not voted Labour at the last two elections, the seat is so safe I can vote for TUSC with no risks. A vote for Corbyn carries far too many.

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hypnoticrabbit · 10/08/2015 16:20

MrsCog - The problem I have with Liz Kendall and the other contenders is that they might as well be Tories. They might be slightly more left wing on a few minor policies than the Tories but what is the point of having a Labour party/opposition which is only a few degrees to the left of the Tories if at all? She might as well be a leftwing Tory for most of her policies. I just don't see any differentiation between the other contenders. They just say what they think will get them into power, with no integrity and they all come across as Blair clones - all image with no morals. The last thing we need is another evangelist like Blair (in love with himself, making millions in very dodgy warmongering deals etc). That is not what Labour should be about.

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ghostyslovesheep · 10/08/2015 16:22

I remember the 70's Grin lived through them :) I also lived through the 80's and early 90's - hence why I vote Labour

prorsum · 10/08/2015 16:24

not

howabout · 10/08/2015 16:28

prorsum do you then have more time for JC because he reportedly split from his exW because he didn't want to send DS2 to grammar school? (personally I would find him a bit extreme if I really thought this to be the only issue). You seem to be criticising him for not being hypocritical enough and therefore unelectable while criticising DA for tempering her political views with realism in her private life?

pinemartine · 10/08/2015 16:29

Mumsnet tends to be left wing anyway so I think any responses are skewed.

As far as I can see, responses to Corbyn have ranged from thinking he is the solution to the party's difficulties and thinking that he is ultimately misguided as under his rule Labour don't stand a chance.

I wonder if either are true.

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