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people in charge of air Malaysia search should be sacked

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carmellas3 · 06/08/2015 08:01

There were many eyewitness reports of a low flying jet from people seperated in the Maldives and they ignored them as their tech calculations said it wasn't possible. Now it looks like they were all right a d had they started searching there things might have been different.

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JassyRadlett · 06/08/2015 08:30

X-post with teeth who helpfully provided the drift pattern predictions. Smile

MaidOfStars · 06/08/2015 08:30

Just read eyewitness reports from the Maldives. The detail they are claiming to be able to make out matches what I could see on big planes when I lived 8 miles from a big airport.

So if true, it would have hit the water very very close to the Maldives and, if my reading of current maps is correct, drifted East.

CopaBanana · 06/08/2015 08:31

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firesidechat · 06/08/2015 08:31

I imagine it was auto corrected on a phone, but yes, proof reading is your friend if you want to be taken seriously.

SoupDragon · 06/08/2015 08:32

Must be nice to just watch the news and have all the thinking and thought process done for you

Must be nice to just make up stuff to suit your own conspiracy theory opinions.

JassyRadlett · 06/08/2015 08:34

Must be nice to just watch the news and have all the thinking and thought process done for you.

Yeah. You clearly put a lot of 'thought process' into figuring out where the debris actually is.

Let alone researching its consistency with previous predictions.

carmellas3 · 06/08/2015 08:36

CopaBanana - do you agree with the saving face comments?

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Nonnainglese · 06/08/2015 08:37

I'm baffled as to why op thinks everyone's efforts should be rubbished?
It must have been a desperately difficult and heartbreaking operation, firstly hoping to locate the plane, then optimistically perhaps seeking any survivors drifting in the ocean, then for trying to give relatives some kind of explanation and closure of a kind. And it's still ongoing.

I cannot believe they are trying to save face, I find that very insulting in light of the tragedy.

Eyewitnesses? Well, they'd be pretty few and far apart in the Pacific.

SusanMichelson · 06/08/2015 08:39

The plane that transited Kudahuvadhoo is thought to have been most likely a Dash 8 making its way to the island of Thumara-something that opened in Sept 2013.

It is possible that the islanders were right, and (at least some of) the drift models do not rule out a Maldives/DG region POI entirely but as has been mentioned, the debris would likely have been carried to Reunion far more quickly from that area.

OP you really need to read up before you grasp at the lowest hanging fruit.

MaidOfStars · 06/08/2015 08:39

Indian

SusanMichelson · 06/08/2015 08:41

here you go...probable debunk of Maldive sightings

There are more elsewhere

'As Le Monde’s story revealed there’s another island 50 kilometres south east of Kudahuvadhoo called Thimarafushi.

And it has a new airport that was opened in September 2013.

And on the day the mystery plane was sighted, civil aviation records show that a flight touched down on Thimarafushi at 6.33am.

The plane was a twin-engined De Haviland Dash 8 carrying 50 people

... flown and operated by Maldivian, whose livery is white, red and blue, just like MH370.

According to the Maldives Civil Aviation Authority, this plane had flown direct from the capital of Male, and would have tracked close to, or over, the island of Kudahoovadhoo as it came into land.

The authority’s chairman, Ibrahim Faizal, told Media Watch, as he told Le Monde:

It does correlate with what the people on the island would have seen. There was this Dash 8 aircraft during this time period and we deduced this has to be that flight.

— Ibrahim Faizal, Chairman, Maldives Civil Aviation Authority, 19th June, 2015'

londonrach · 06/08/2015 08:41

New measurement..seashells..love it. Grin

SusanMichelson · 06/08/2015 08:42

POI = point of impact

PestoSwimissimos · 06/08/2015 08:43

Three things;

Satellite pings
Corridor
Engines running time

I have no doubt OP, that you can explain away these in an equally scientific manner. The experts must have wasted all those months of calculations when really they ought to have been told what really happened by the OP.

Biscuit
Collaborate · 06/08/2015 08:45

.....and in other news, the moon landings were all hoaxes.

SusanMichelson · 06/08/2015 08:47

Well not everyone has ultimate faith in Inmarsat given it is recent technology but most within aviation circles actually do subscribe to the BTO/BFO data being relevant and accurate.

That's good enough for me; some are however suggesting that the Northern part of the defined search area is far more likely to yield results than the southern part.

Malaysia in their handling of the entire situation has been pretty farcical

that doesn't mean all the data is wrong and all the suppositions and calculations have been wrong...many countries are involved in all of this, it isn't just Malaysia pulling the strings.

LittleLionMansMummy · 06/08/2015 08:47

Looking back at the earring in a field comparison, I don't know why the search didn't just use a massive metal detector or magnet when the black box pings stopped.... y'know, like they would in cartoons.

CatMilkMan · 06/08/2015 08:47

Carmellas3 has had several popular threads recently, feels like something weird is going on.

SusanMichelson · 06/08/2015 08:48

Collaborate...They were!

carmellas3 · 06/08/2015 08:48

The original search location was based on the time difference between communication messages sent between MH370 and an Inmarsat satellite. Some tech weenies did a bunch of work to determine the search location which turned out to be flat wrong. The islanders who witnessed the plane were disregarded because their statements conflicted with the data analysis. We put way too much faith in computers and way to little on human intelligence. In this case the analysts were wrong.

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SusanMichelson · 06/08/2015 08:49

I think they need to locate the actual plug somewhere beneath the Indian Ocean and just, yunno, pull it out.

LittleLionMansMummy · 06/08/2015 08:51

But what about all the ocean life SusanMichelson? Have you no regard for the lives of all those creatures? You're worse than the dentist who shot Cecil!

SoupDragon · 06/08/2015 08:51

So, apart from the fact that the Maldives plane was coming from the wrong direction, was spotted an hour after MH370 would have run out of fuel and the fact that there was no signs of MH370 on Maldives radar, you think the eye witness accounts are entirely correct...?

SusanMichelson · 06/08/2015 08:51

Some tech weenies did a bunch of work to determine the search location which turned out to be flat wrong.

Er - yuwwhat?

Some 'tech weenies' that happen to have formed the Independent Group agree in principle with the search location as it stands, and I'd rather take their information at face value over that provided by Malaysia - have you a source for your 'tech weenies' thing or did it not come from anywhere?

carmellas3 · 06/08/2015 08:52

OK I'm in the wrong place for this.

I'll flounce out.

Pride is a major impediment when it comes to research. Nothing than can be found is one is too stuck to the open possibilities. Shame, things could have moved along a lot faster if wasn't for their egos getting in the way.

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