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to be horrified at the behaviour in bohunt school

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SEsofty · 04/08/2015 22:13

Just watched the programme about Chinese teachers in uk. Whilst I appreciate that it is reality tv and thus exaggeration for effect I was still horrified with the apparent number of children who were talking in class.

I'm not that accident and went to a very normal school but talking whilst teacher did simply didn't happen. I don't agree with the Chinese methods but talking whilst someone is trying to teach you is simply rude.

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Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 16:53

I always thought I would hate to have my children in school in U.S. and now I know this for sure.

Lioninthesun · 19/08/2015 16:55

your girl's school has pupils with all supportive parents SheGot and they have never had to be in mixed ability classes with those who started school about 2 yrs behind I can't speak for SheGot but I can positively confirm that an alarming percentage of parents at my school were certainly NOT supportive! Of the boarders we had no help with homework and some only saw their parent's in the summer holidays if they were lucky.
If children started the school and had severe dyslexia they were given the option to repeat the year, three girls I know did this over the ten years I was there. Some girls will never be academic, but if they can excel at drama or sports it gives them something to cling onto instead.

Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 16:56

It probably accounts for USA doing worse than UK in world rankings.

BertrandRussell · 19/08/2015 16:57

I thought you meant a compulsory longer school day.

Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 16:58

I had forgotten the 'poor little rich kids' - they do exist. The parents are however paying for small classes, and they are often ones set for ability.
If you are not setting for ability then you can cope if a very small class.

SheGotAllDaMoves · 19/08/2015 17:01

The parents that I know in DD's school seem a supportive lot. Certainly, matches, performances, meetings etc are well attended.

And yes, classes are setted.

But academically, there is a whole range.

SheGotAllDaMoves · 19/08/2015 17:02

Results are so good, in part, because the girls are kept nice and busy. Or that's the HT's view anyhow.

And you know, if it aint broke...

mathanxiety · 19/08/2015 17:02

She found the time to do everything she wanted to do -- she loved playing with our old cat, crappy teen TV dramas, making earrings, painting, doodling, listening to music, going out bowling, shopping trips, dancing, trampolining, swimming at the beach, going to gigs, doing her nails, reading, sleepovers, and found time to fit all of that in whenever she saw fit. She still paints and goes to concerts and makes jewellery even though she has her own home and career and cat and the responsibility of her own cooking, etc.

SheGotAllDaMoves · 19/08/2015 17:03

bertrand would a compulsory longer school day, not help the pupils?

Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 17:04

U.S school system seems to be to do with grades and rankings etc in general. No mention of 'all brains being the same' and only needing the 'right' method of teaching.

shebird · 19/08/2015 17:06

Mehitabel6
My experience of extra teaching for SATS in my DDs school is certainly not as you have described. Those in the top set got 2 extra lessons per week for all of year 6, while those in the middle had 1 extra lesson from the March.
Those in the 'middle' sets were safe level 4s so there was probably no incentive for extra input for these students. This is what drives me insane as surely all students deserve the same input and opportunity to improve and achieve more? Why are some students less important just because they have reached the 'required standard'?
I completely understand the need to provide extra teaching for those at the bottom, but surely all students deserve the opportunity to achieve their full potential.

Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 17:07

Maybe she isn't an introvert - it wouldn't suit me who wants time alone- lots of it with a book. We are all different but I would hate that action packed existence. Well done those who thrive in it- but don't make the mistake of thinking it is a system all children want to emulate.

Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 17:15

You shouldn't need any extra teaching for anyone for SATs - it should just be a test of where they actually are. In my LEA the top got nothing, the middle and the bottim got nothing and the lower middle got booster classes. A nice little earner for me for at least 10 years- but not something that I agree with.

Lioninthesun · 19/08/2015 17:39

Has anyone discussed how much Chinese teachers are paid? I don't know but am curious. I suspect teachers are held in higher regard and paid accordingly, but have no idea. If people on the thread are so unresponsive to change or learning from the show we are discussing or indeed schools that get it right, maybe we should focus on something else that could influence the quality of the teaching or indeed entice a few more specialist bods to the sector?

Lioninthesun · 19/08/2015 17:41

I'm ignoring the "poor little rich kids" comment as it clearly doesn't aid the discussion in any way.

Lioninthesun · 19/08/2015 17:43

"A nice little earner for me but not something I agree with"
Well, you insist on biting the hand that feeds you and not standing up for your principles and yet still seem indignant that change must happen, despite not being at all responsive to changes suggested... What do you want?

shebird · 19/08/2015 17:43

I agree that's how it should be Mehitabel however SATS are all that matters in schools these days, teaching and inspiring children is out the window.

kesstrel · 19/08/2015 17:52

Mehitabel, there really is no one "US School System", except in a very broad sense. Education is supposed to be primarily the responsibility of the individual states, with the result that there are large variations between them. And individual school districts also have a significant level of power as well. The result is that there is a large degree of variability in policies and approaches.

Also, I think you would need something considerably more detailed than the site you referenced to draw any proper conclusions, even with regard to the educational policies of a particular state.

mathanxiety · 19/08/2015 18:28

The students who tended to do best in the DCs' high school were those who participated in extra curriculars. Studies indicate that this is a general phenomenon. SheGot's HT is correct.

The phrase 'if you want to get something done, ask a busy person' applies. The busier > the happier > the more productive the student.

One of the students in DD1's year who got As in all subjects all through his high school career and graduated at the top of the class did three sports every year, each at varsity level. He was captain of all three of his sports in his senior year. He got into the Air Force Academy.

Introverts don't all spend their time with with their heads in books. Some like making earrings and watching crappy tv on their own. DD1 is most definitely an introvert and needed time alone in her room with the cat to recharge. She also found her own space with her music on and headphones in, even in a crowd.

Indeed, there is complete acceptance that all brains are not the same in what can only loosely be called "the US system". Crucially, there is acceptance too that all brains do not remain static. Hence mixed ability classes in elementary school, where the basics are presumed to be within the reach of everybody, and hence also different tracks and levels (sometimes designated 'advanced', 'college prep' and 'general') within tracks in high school. The lack of setting in elementary schools means that students who despite appearances at age 6 may have ability or are willing to do the work can get where they want to be in the end because they have not fallen so far behind that they can never catch up. DD3's maths teacher was out a lot with health problems for her last two years of middle school and DD's class had a succession of subs. The result was confusion on DD3's part. She placed in a college prep level in her HS maths placement test, but did two years of summer school maths as well as her regular two full years and therefore advanced four years of maths levels in the space of two. She is now on an advanced maths track.

One key element in many US states is that the majority of students must take English and maths for most of high school, with many districts and states requiring a certain number of semesters of science, art, social sciences and a mfl too. Schedules and class makeup can be flexible because many high schools are large. Students may or may not have students all their own age in class with them. DD4 has bearded 18 year olds in her computer apps and art classes -- these classes are a graduation requirement and some students leave it to their last year. DD3 had older and younger students in many of her history and maths classes.

There is no finishing post in US schooling such as the Irish Leaving Cert or GCSEs, A levels, etc. Instead, students aim for a good grade point average (consisting of the grade for every homework assignment and test for your four years of HS). After four years of high school you can apply to university if you wish and chances are you will get in somewhere. Universities sort applicants by nationally administered exams that measure aptitude and competence and also mastery of certain subjects, as well as evaluation of the quality of students' HS courses and grades.

Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 18:44

Same in UK -and yet people insist in taking their school and thinking the rest are the same.
It was brought up that children from monied families could be deprived- I merely agreed.
I was a supply teacher - with a home and family, Lion, who wouldn't turn down a nice little regular job with nice children who needed a bit of individual attention? It helped them. It was regular and easy money. Why do I need to Same in UK -and yet people insist in taking their school and thinking the rest are the same.
It was brought up that children from monied families could be deprived- I merely agreed.
I was a supply teacher - with a home and family, Lion, who wouldn't turn down a nice little regular job with nice children who needed a bit of individual attention? It helped them. It was regular and easy money. Why do I need to agree with it. I don't agree with a lot of things in education- I wouldn't get any work if I had to agree with it all!

Anyway- I Am off out and this will be finished when I get back.
It has been notable in making me see there are worse things than 11+ and I have never asked one person so many questions and not had one answer!

apologies for any mistakes- can't always keep up with auto correct.agree with it. I don't agree with a lot of things in education- I wouldn't get any work if I had to agree with it all!

Anyway- I Am off out and this will be finished when I get back.
It has been notable in making me see there are worse things than 11+ and I have never asked one person so many questions and not had one answer!

apologies for any mistakes- can't always keep up with auto correct.

Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 18:46

Some introverts read a lot. This doesn't mean they are not busy!
You do seem very narrow in your thinking mathanxiety

Everyone is different.

mathanxiety · 19/08/2015 18:47

'This doesn't mean they are not busy!'

What?

Confused
Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 18:48

Cutting and paring went absolutely berserk! Apologies - the site was so slow I got in a real mess trying to post.

Mehitabel6 · 19/08/2015 18:49

You said 'ask a busy person' as if an introvert who reads isn't busy, busy, busy!

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