to be horrified at the behaviour in bohunt school

[SEsofty]

Just watched the programme about Chinese teachers in uk. Whilst I appreciate that it is reality tv and thus exaggeration for effect I was still horrified with the apparent number of children who were talking in class.

I'm not that accident and went to a very normal school but talking whilst teacher did simply didn't happen. I don't agree with the Chinese methods but talking whilst someone is trying to teach you is simply rude.

Regardless of the possibility of children being disapplied from subjects, 85% in English and maths would be pretty bloody hard to achieve by manipulation.

I never said Bohunt was manipulating results, let alone English and Maths. It is an impressive percentage they have.

I replied to a previous post that said "don't get me started on 'other' academies spinning results...."

I think that if a comprehensive school is getting 85% in English and Maths we should say 'well done' and not 'how are they cheating?'

Oh! FFS! I give up!!

You said Oh yes! Results can definitely be manipulated into whatever they want to show!

But you mean apart from the headline figures? Which is what we were talking about?

Tbf the English figures could be a result of cheating on coursework but as maths is exam only, the kids do actually have to know their stuff. So 85% is good when the national pass rate for maths is about 60%.

I still want to know why mathanxiety thinks this school's results are second rate, and why she has berated me for my low expectations of comprehensive schools for thinking otherwise.

In a year group of say 150, 127/128 getting at least 5c's including English and Maths isn't very good, do me a favour. I haven't seen the breakdown of the A's and A's but ultimately unless your child has significant learning difficulties or is seriously disengaged for whatever reason they're going to come out with core qualifications to move on to the next stage. My child is a high achiever in a similar profile comprehensive, I have far higher expectations than 5C's for him and the top sets usually get a fairly straight run of A's and A's but there's no way I would call it anything other than an extremely good comprehensive

Ok. For the last time, the poster before me said "don't get me started on the spinning of results at OTHER academies".

From my experience of teaching, in particular the last place I was in, kids were being withdrawn from the non core subjects they were not likely to get a C grade. I was also at a chain of academies that had been found to be cheating BTEC coursework (not in my particular school!).

At no point did I mention Bohunt's headline Maths and English percentage. I merely responded to the previous poster's comment that I have now typed out about three times!

I hope that explains!

Looking- you are aware that 85% 5 A*-C does not mean they have all got Cs?

And that outside the world of mumsnet there are plenty of children for whom Cs at GCSE are a real achievement?

This is why we went private. It was that or home ed.
No point whatsoever in them going to school to observe chaos.

Of course I'm aware they didn't all get c's many will have got far higher my point was that whatever happens virtually all the children will leave the school with enough qualifications to move on to the next stage of their life and not many comprehensives can make that claim

Ignoring the surpassing stupidity of the intervening post-not many comprehensives only have 4% low achievers.

^'Almost as good as a second tier private school' now looks even less excellent than before.

Cecily, I am quoting several other posters, mainly BertrandRussell, with the comparison to second tier private schools. This is apparently quite a feat for a comprehensive school^

It was actually Lookingforwardtotheholidays who wrote it and her actual words were, "Bohunt's results are as good as most 2nd tier private school results"

A C in English is a huge achievement for some children. I am as proud of my DS with his C as his brother with an A. He is dyslexic and he could have the best teacher in the land, with private tuition , and he is still unlikely to get more than a C. Something we celebrated.

My ds is moving up to secondary in Sept. People are flooding to Bohunt. He's in a school many miles away and nearly all the parents from the majority of local schools are choosing Bohunt.

They are a well oiled business and I'm shocked they would do anything to show themselves in a bad light.

We viewed Bohunt. All my ds mates are going there. Dispite being 15 miles from our house.

The reason we didn't choose it was because the first question the head asked me was "does he have any additional support?" Ie does he have any sen.

Not "what's your favourite subject, what are good at, why do you want to choose us". I suggested he might be dyslexic at which point the head suggested another school.

To me I think that partly explains the amazing results. I have no doubt it is a amazing school. Some parents round here are amazingly well off and very educated so basing their choice on something?

For me I do have another child with sen. I want my younger son to follow his brother. I worry about what I view as "sen cleansing" would carry over into anything else that might jeopardise those league results.

But if your a average child that's not going to be trouble then yes you will do very well academically there. There's no question about that. In fact I still wonder about my choice, but I couldn't get over the heads attitude.

Yep. Very few SEN. Very few FSM. Very few low attainers. But I bet it'll still be used as a stick to beat more typical comprehensives with- "If Bohunt can do it, why can't you?" Er- because we have more than 4% low attainers!

The average child should get a C in an exam. The slightly above average should get B and the high achievers A. There should be the below average who can't get a C.
If everyone gets A ( or even A or B) then the exams are too easy and need to be made more difficult.
If everyone gets at least C then the exams are too easy.
Comprehensives have the range and will get the whole range of exam results.
Selective schools don't take the average or below average and shouldn't even have the slightly above average. Therefore they should all get A.

You can take every child from birth and give them the same- you will not get the same results. They are all different.

Exactly!

When I first started teaching, there was a girl in my bottom set year 11 group. She was the sweetest, most hard working soul you could ever meet. She worked her socks off and got a D, having been predicted an E. She was over the moon and was able to follow her dream and take up a place on a college course.

I wish the government would see that life isn't just about the 'all important' C grade.

Bertrand it's 8% not 4% low attainers.

Looking at the local league tables, Thornden down the road has the same headline figure, but 3% low attainers, and their low attainers get an average E+ per qualification where Bohunt gets C-. Clearly even their low attainers do pretty well.

And so sad mrsnewfie when the child who has worked their socks off to get a D is told that it is a poor result, when it is a good result for them.

I went to private school : I've no idea what lesson discipline was like as I was usually bunking off in the common room - hence I : and nearly half my cohort failed our A levels

Bohunt is a fab school
I did not see the programme - I was abroad - but there are two choices for a TV programme about schools

• the truth
• a good story

guess which one will get shown?

So ashamed to be a British parent watching the immatuirity and rudeness at the zoo that is Bohunt school.Yes, slag off the Chinese system all you want headteachers and parents, but the fact remains Chinese 13 year olds are 3 years ahead academically and these are who our kids will be competing against as China goes from strength to strength.

but the fact remains Chinese 13 year olds are 3 years ahead academically
Link please ?

Especially for creative subjects and analytical processing
in schools outside Shanghai and Beijing (ie those NOT covered in the PISA tests)

"but the fact remains Chinese 13 year olds are 3 years ahead academically"

I wouldn't say that; China is a massive country where a large percentage of the population is rural and poor. The PISA results were for Shanghai only (and I can guarantee that the Chinese state engaged in some pretty creative filtering of which students were allowed to take part in PISA).

However, yes, it is fair to say that the British education system is pretty mediocre by international standards and could be doing a hell of a lot better.

What really horrifies me is the attitude of the senior management of the school. The guy actually states clearly that he wants the Chinese teachers to failhow can this possibly be regarded as a fair experiment once something like that has been said? Those classes could be taught better, but it doesn't matterif students are behaving like rude little toerags, the senior management should be standing up for the teacher and coming down on the kids like a ton of bricks.

Did you see the mum who was called in, after that kid was bringing a kettle into class? Positively giggling and cooing about how her brave little soldier was standing up for himself as an individual. No, madam, he is not an "individual," he is an arrogant little tick.

Talkinpeacewhite-british-children-outperformed-by-minorities

Chinese-Indian-pupils-grades-GCSE-British-children.html

From this article
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/2816369.stm

''Just over half of white pupils (51%) achieved five or more top GCSE or GNVQ grades - the national average.

They were significantly outperformed by pupils from Indian families, 64% of whom did that well.

Doing best of all were the 12,000 or so Chinese pupils, 73% of whom got the top grades.''

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