To think the Chinese Teachers that taught in a English Comprehensive in Hampshire need to concentrate on their own countries problems.

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This experiment taken by BBC 2 ' Are our children tough enough' proves how far removed Chinese teaching methods are from , creating independent creative thinkers.

The Chinese teachers actually buy in to their 'state driven' dogmatic culture, that breeds total obedience to the state of china. They are also victims because they are unable to accept , that independent thinking is the key to a happy life.

China has abject poverty for 99% of the population, yet they decry a system that 'no matter that it is being altered ' still attempts to ensure no one starves on the street.

There is also another question to be asked about the PISA results , why do they only show schools from Shanghai ?. We could respond by only quoting results from Private or Grammar schools, because their results have been 'doctored'.

The quote we only have one type of syllabus in China 'survive or die' is typical of a state controlled workforce. This also shows they have no compassion for anyone who does not fit the norm though either academic intelligence or through Autism etc. The comment about not understanding the child who ran out of the class about 'One Direction' proves they have no understanding about teenage problems, whoever trivial.

The English education system needs to take no advice from the Chinese education system, despite what the baying mob think on the Daily Mail website think.

I wish mumsnet had a twat icon especially for posters who feel it necessary to correct the spelling and grammar of other posters.

I picture then in RL as frustrated little jobs worths who obviousiy cant contribute properly so make nasty digs.

How bloody sad.

Anyhow op I agree with you. If the Chinese system is so bloody good how come all the elite kids of the ruling classes board in the UK, USA and Australia boarding schools.

Highly sick of people slagging off our teachers and our teenagers. My 4 went to the local brilliant mixed ability comp and 2 have graduated.

My only gripe is we start pushing our kids into formal education far too young.

"keeping the nation at the forefront of world economics."

That would be a number of economic factors, but mostly the fact that the Yuan is chronically undervalued, if it were allowed to respond to the market normally then we may see a major difference in Chinese economic outlook.

I think that most people would agree that both systems have weaknesses and strengths.

I haven't seen the programme but the title alone makes it sound very predictable and lazy programme making because I don't think that PISA results are a good way to measure how good education is in each country.

If they wanted to introduce something Asian to a UK school they should have had teachers teach maths with an abacus to Reception/Y1 kids or something. Personally I think they would see a positive result with that.

I don't know how the programme panned out but does anyone watch "The World's Strictest Parents"? It's a programme where unruly UK teen is shipped to a strict overseas family often in a developing country. In the ones that I saw, they ended up attending school and they try to rebel (eg by wearing makeup when none is allowed) but eventually cave in to the school rule and acting respectfully after being punished with litter duty or having the host parents called. I'm curious to what makes them cave in. Is it peer pressure? The fact that they are on screen? The punishment? The unfamiliar environment?

I wouldn't want any teacher who said children should "survive or die" anywhere near my DC or a British school.

It's a shocking and disgusting way to teach.

Agree Bakeoff but what can you expect from a country with shocking human rights abuses.

I remember the awful massacre of their own students in 1989. Free speech crushed by tanks and now swept under the carpet.

No lessons needed from that regime thank you.

I think a lot of the posts on this are not so much racist as under-informed and thus necessarily having to resort to misinformation to engage in the conversation.
I'm under-informed too.
I suspect that television programmes such as this are going to add not one bit to the real sum of information out there.
Shame really. This amazing tool for communication, an audience evidently curious for information and real knowledge - and this is what we get: an idiotic programme peddling platitude and idiotic stereotypes.
Well, I suppose it kills the long hours before we die.

Fundamentally this is a comparison between a culture where education prioritises the acquisition of knowledge and places little emphasis on the emotional state of the student, and one that places central emphasis on the student's emotional state and relatively little on whether they acquire any knowledge, as it is believed that some 'skills' are being acquired in the process and that these are more useful than hard knowledge. This is a debate that we have in England periodically, though by the looks of things it's been pretty conclusively won by the 'skills' side (at least in state education).

The rest of this thread is mostly ill-informed generalisations about how horrid China is

I think that op is making a bad case of her own educational system by opening the discussion with "they need to concentrate on their own contries problems". I hope that school taught her to argue a point by presenting arguments not inflamatory rethoric.

I think some of the comments aimed at me about the odd spelling mistake or punctuation problem, highlights how devoid of opinion they are. The comments also link to the fact that the Chinese education system has no understanding or tolerance of special educational needs of some potential bright students.

I would also like to say this to the people who have picked on my spelling or punctuation (on previous threads) that my Dyslexia/Dyspraxia is so severe , that I have been allocated 60 hours per year support for my OU studies. I can assure most of the posters picking me up on my occasional spelling mistake, that if they had the significant 'undiagnosed' problems (at school) I have/had their posts would contain many more mistakes than mine.

This would mean in a system such as the Chinese education system, I would be deemed 'stupid' because I have problems putting my understanding and knowledge down on paper. I now the English education system now values pupils who have Dyslexia /ASD symptoms and allows these students to advance to university through help and not deeming them thick/disruptive or unteachable.

This clearly is not the view of the teachers from China on this television show.

Haven't seen the programmes yet but remember this is TV that has been edited. They don't normally teach mandarin that way in that school. It is for the telly!

OP

Please provide a link to the literature you gleaned the information below from? I would be very interested to read it..

"China has abject poverty for 99% of the population, yet they decry a system that 'no matter that it is being altered ' still attempts to ensure no one starves on the street. "

I'm a teacher and I have to say I think their findings have a point. I'm not saying their methods are perfect but aspirations in this country do seem to be lacking for so many children. You only need to live in my town to see behaviour and aspirations are dire for the majority and not a small minority of people. Many of my local towns are the same.

Misbegotten - op will not be able to provide a link as it's just not true that 99% of the Chinese population lives in abject poverty.
Still, let's not let facts get in the way of some China bashing.

www.china-mike.com/facts-about-china/facts-rich-poor-inequality/

Here is a link about poverty China /

OK maybe not 99% live in abject poverty based on 'relative poverty'.However from a BBC News report from 2010 'nearly 500 million Chinese people live on less than $2 a day . How many Chinese therefore live on less than $10 a day ?. This is exceptional poverty considering that China has 213 Dollar Billionaires the second highest number anywhere in the world behind the US.

If you think that's remarkable poverty you need to get outside Europe. Chinese people are comparatively wealthy on most measures.

Anyway, this is all besides the point. I haven't seen the programme (nor will I as I live in NZ) but it sounds to me like the Chinese teachers were invited to make comments and they did so. All perfectly reasonable. It is absurd to consider them to have made some kind of national slight.

And what they say doesn't surprise me. My experience of NZ kids is that by and large they are simply better behaved than UK kids, and their relationships with adults tend to be better. Probably this is because the culture of bringing up children in NZ is less hostile towards strictness than it is in Britain.

Most of my in-laws grew up in South Africa. Some went to very posh schools, some didn't. But discipline at all their schools was impeccable, and as a result they are all frighteningly well-educated and very adept critical thinkers. DW went from teaching classes of 50 in township schools with no discipline issues at all to having furniture thrown at her in West London schools. And no - I am not suggesting that the UK learn to love Leon Schuster or shoot people on the toilet.

When I compare my own (English) schooling, it occurs to me what an ill-disciplined rabble we were.

Agree with toad. I live in China and have travelled extensively in Asia, there are countries much poorer than China- Laos and Cambodia to name two.
As the world's most populous nation, I would also expect it to have a considerable number of billionaires, particularly when you consider what has happened to property prices in Shanghai and other first tier cities.
What I find more disturbing is people in the USA ( one of the richest countries in the world) living in poverty.

haha, yes I am well aware of that ShamghaDiva, it is amazing the amount of ignorance and absolute rubbish posted on this thread which shows some posters in a very bad light and only highlights their prejudices.

Our local uni is full of Chinese students.

They are a hell of a lot more respectful than English kids. Parties are quiet by 12pm. Polite and their houses are immaculate. I'm always fascinated by their shopping in Tesco, FULL of fruit and veg and a small amount of meat. Utterly OBSESSED with cars though, one of them has a Lamborghini he rags around town. Another friend works in the BMW dealership, he LOVES it when they all turn up in August.

There's a huge amount of ignorance and rubbish towards British Students on this thread too misbegotten

I have 2dds, one still at uni, one just finished. I don't recognise the "rude, disrespectful, work shy" students described here, in my DDs or their friends.
My experience is of very hard working, polite, delightful teenagers/young people.

Pantone I'm fascinated to find out how you know all the Chinese student houses are "immaculate" unless you visit them a lot. And as my Dd and many of her friends are pescetarians, their shopping baskets are also full of fruit and veg. Your observations are ridiculous

No Chinese people are going to come on here and argue with you Toad and Shanghai though are they? Because the fear is real. Same as those having grown up in South Africa, no Habeas Corpus = discipline.

No Chinese people are going to come on here and argue with you Toad and Shanghai though are they? Because the fear is real. Same as those having grown up in South Africa, no Habeas Corpus = discipline.

Not sure what your point is. Moops. Statistically, how many Chinese MNers are there?

What does SA habeus corpus have to do with anything? You state it as if it were a rhetorical question, which plainly it isn't. What do you mean?

Actually, my intimate experience of South Africans is that they are highly argumentative.

And fwiw, habeas corpus exists in SA law which is based, in part, on English common law.

Moops your ignorance is outstanding. Have you ever lived / worked in China or HK, do you have any Chinese friends / relatives. I can answer yes to all those questions and can let you know you are spouting utter rubbish.

I have said all I intend to on this matter as I am not in the habit of making tit for tat replies with random people on the internet and especially not with someone as ill informed as yourself.