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AIBU with SIL

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fmama · 28/07/2015 22:03

APOLOGIES for the long post.... thanks for patience.

Both DH's and my families are overseas, except for DH's sister, her husband and their 3 children ages 13, 10 and 4. They both don't work and live off a generous allowance from SIL's MIL which includes 4 bedroom house in prime postcode, private school fees, full time live in cook/nanny, multiple long haul holidays a year etc. Whereas DH and I have 2 kids under 5, no outside childcare, living on half our former household income: we have the same qualifications and used to have the same job and salary, but I had to give up work after DC2 as childcare costs are equal to my salary. You may think this is a situation creating a lot of envy on my part but I can honestly say that I am quite contented to leave others be as long as we are left to get on with our lives in peace.

SIL and husband have several nights out during the week - movies, restaurants, concerts etc., and they host dinner parties regularly for their social group. All 3 of her children sleep with the nanny. We don't use babysitters ourselves so don't see anyone in the evenings, and our only free time are weekends as a family after housework and errands. SIL likes to arrange meetings on weekends and especially Sundays when her live-in has her off day. She texts or phones every week and it is always difficult to turn her down. We don't do very much socially ourselves and after housework and childcare, we simply don't have much free time left as a family. It has been a long term strain on our time and relationship whenever she suggests meeting up and we have to say no. So far we have managed to keep it to every other weekend. Put in perspective we see our close friends only once or twice a year.

When we do meet it's the whole day at their place - we would arrive an hour before lunch, as requested, "to let the kids play", and often find the adults still in bed. We would then mind their kids for a hour or so before SIL or her husband eventually comes downstairs. And only then they start prepping lunch, or driving to the supermarket, leaving all 3 kids with us, which also means we often eat at 2 or 3pm. We have always brought something to complement their meals but recently I have started to bring a full mains and sides so that the children can start eating nearer their usual lunchtime.

She has been making more requests than usual in recent months and in the last 5 weeks we have seen her family 4 weekends. We only didn't go that 5th time as DH had to work. DH took a day off yesterday (Monday) which was planned months ago so we could go away to a B&B for a long weekend holiday Sat-Mon as a family. DH told SIL about our holiday on the Friday before our holiday, and she asked if she could join us. DH said "ok whatever you like".

I was very upset when I found out. DH said he couldn't say anything else to her as he feels that his sister is always very keen on meeting us, and we are the ones saying no to her all the time. He then added how she has said that it's only because she wants the cousins to play together, that she was only thinking for the children, and lastly that she would like her children to be closer to their uncle.

To DH his sister sounds like she lives for her children, and DH buys that wholesale - but I am not so convinced. She doesn't do the morning school runs, they have home tutors, and all 3 children have after school activities 4 out of 5 days. She has intentionally planned trips, day-outs, and birthday parties for her older children excluding her youngest child and had left him with us instead. It seems that she can't cope with the youngest whenever the nanny is on her day-off.

DH is the 3rd child and SIL is the oldest. I feel that he has been under her thumb all his life but I don't want myself and my family to be under hers. I believe him when he says he doesn't want to see her as much as she wants to see us, but his preferred solution is whichever that is least work for him, which is to skip the negotiation and to just do whatever she wants to do. She can be described as persistent while he is passive. I do realise that a lot of this issue could be focused on how my DH manages her, but short of sucessfully getting him to do that - how can I approach this without appearing like I am coming in between him and his sister? Or is this actually reasonable between siblings, and I should be trying to get used to it seeing as I married him and his sister by proxy? What can/should I do? DH and I don't quarrel much and actually have quite a good relationship but this particular issue accounts for 90% of all our major fights. Grateful for any advice. Thank you all in advance.

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1Morewineplease · 29/07/2015 20:05

Brilliant post RUMBLE... You've said it in one!!!!
OP... Do as Rumble says... Don't facilitate... Let OH see the problem for himself ... If you keep nagging he will remain defensive... Try and rise above your SIL and allow his eyes to open naturally... You said yourself that he didn't like it when he went over ... Stop providing food and snacks... Your SIL lives differently to you and your OH needs to see the impact of this on your family... If SIL and her OH are still in bed then say "we're leaving " then leave .. Tell your DP to choose whether he wants to stay or leave with you ... You then both need to decided whetherj your children should stay or go ... Think you should ask your children outright! Don't criticise her ... Just keep expressing your and your children's disappointment...
I really feel for you and very sorry that you are in this really ridiculous predicament! Be strong , calm and as level-headed as you can !!!
Don't forget that she is looking at you and your family as an extension of "those who sort things out for us"!!!!

Lashalicious · 29/07/2015 22:25

I think sil would like nothing better than for you to give your husband and your children over to her domain while you sit at home by yourself in your empty house on the weekends and holidays. Sil will realize what you're doing and fawn over your husband and children until they would rather be with her than at home with you. I don't think this is about sil wanting childcare and food on nanny free Sundays. I find that ridiculous. I think of course being a controlling person, she has you do things for her while you're at her house which includes looking after her children or bringing food. That is part of her being in charge and surrounding herself with "helpers" and allies which will include your husband and children with you out of the picture. It seems to me that would isolate you from your family while they bond with her. She is tussling with you, not your husband or children, in a power play over your family, I think that is pretty clear. She is used to telling her brother to come when she says, and she has continued doing that in spite of his getting married. And he has continued to come when called, even after complaining about her. His allegiance is still to her, he is a bit afraid of her. Leave it up to him to learn how he's being exploited? He has been exploited all along and still goes over when she says, and still defends her to you. She already knows how to handle him when there wasn't a wife in the picture and she will know how to handle him when his wife sits at home, out of the picture. The problem with the advice upthread is that your husband isn't the one your sil is tussling with, it's you, so even though he complained once, that will not stop her from manipulating him as she's always done. You will find that when you step up and take charge of your family's schedule by dealing directly with your sil, your husband, just like he did with his sister, will defer to you and if his sister complains (as you are doing now) he will defend you. Just try it.

Twentyninedays · 29/07/2015 23:01

Yes, Rumble has nailed it. Well said.

SugarOnTop · 29/07/2015 23:43

fgs! Find your backbone woman and stop taking the shit that gets doled out to you by your husband and sil!

he is a grown man - if he doesn't want to be 'caught in the middle' or 'inconvenienced' then he CAN sort that out for himself. however, you pandering to his every whim is not going to encourage him to get his act together. he KNOWS the situation isn't right yet he REFUSES to do anything about it himself because he only has to click his fingers and you smooth it all out for him.

I would do anything to prevent escalation into full family feud involving MIL Since when did that become YOUR sole responsibility?! There are other adults involved in this dynamic and they are also responsible for ANY feud/arguments that may arise.

I am terrified that it might escalate and most of all... That DH will not take my side DH has been trying to tell me this is just how families work and mine is dysfunctional

Sorry op....but your husband sounds like a spoilt, pampered, spineless man-child who is so selfish that he only thinks of his own 'peace of mind'. He's showing you that he has no respect for your opinions or feelings and he even has the gall to try and manipulate you by claiming your birth family is dysfunctional simply because you used it as an example of how not EVERYBODY does things sil way?! He invites sil on YOUR holiday without even having the decency to discuss it with you beforehand....he attributes all his piss taking to 'not being able to say no or stand up to sil'.........yet he has no problem saying NO to his wife or forcing her through emotional blackmail and manipulation into accepting the dictats issued by him and sil.

He chooses to blame his lack of backbone for not putting you and your family first - and you buy these excuses and run to his rescue because you fear he will leave you if you don't martyr yourself for him and his family. that's not a healthy relationship.

all you need to do is TELL him that YOUR FAMILY NEEDS COME FIRST. That means regular quality 'family time' with just your own unit - because 'time flies too quickly and soon they will all be grown up'. Or doesn't he care that you're missing out on precious family time and making your own family memories? Your friends, interests and hobbies - and time alone- is equally as important as 'family'.....so insist on them. If he doesn't wish to partake then so be it.

your husband isn't stupid. he's just choosing to act that way so you will exhaust yourself explaining your position and trying to 'get through' to him so that in the end you will just give in and do it their way.

claim your own life back and let him visit his sis without you. As others have said - it's only when it affects him that he will suddenly 'find' his backbone and put a stop to this nonsense. why have you never acknowledged the rude behaviour shown by sil and bil? The second time you arrived and they were still in bed, why didn't you tell them it was rude? Who cares how much they got or what precious mil is going to say? you don't HAVE to interact with either of them. Claim your power back and start doing what's best for YOUR family...if 'dh' chooses to punish you for standing up for yourself and your dc - then show him the door.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 30/07/2015 00:48

Forgot to mention at any point that I think weekly visits that utilise your entire amount of free family time are far too excessive!
Work out how much free time you would like and then make it happen.
Perhaps have the fortnightly visits, and you go once a month - then you get one Sunday a month to yourself, the children and your DH see SIL and her family 2x a month, and 2x a month you all get to spend time together as a family unit without having to trawl over to theirs and do things at their whim.

Shelby2010 · 30/07/2015 01:53

If you DH is happy to go with less contact but gets bulldozed by SIL, then he needs to learn the phrase 'I think Fmama may have something planned for next Sunday, I'll have to talk to her her & get back to you.'

Mygardenistoobig · 30/07/2015 08:03

Omg this is far too much.

When does sil spend time with her dcs?

Take the advice of wise posters send dh and dc alone.

Why are you not spelling out exactly how you feel to your dh.

Tell him that you are not going.

The older cousins are too old to want to be with your dc, your sil is talking rubbish but to be fair probably has no idea about what children like as she is not a responsible parent.

Tell your sil no you are not visiting every weekend.

Also tell dh that you do not want sil to come away with you, it is time for your family to be together.

Finally when you do visit go just before lunch is served. Let her ring you if need be asking where you are. There is no way in your position that I would be in her house whilst she and her dh are in bed!

Inertia · 30/07/2015 09:11

I think you need to start being the person who controls the arrangements. Your husband won't say no to his sister, he'd rather blame you for being difficult.

If they are away over August, then make a new routine for Sundays - if you are in the pattern of doing something that H and the children enjoy, they won't think they are missing out on Sunday with SiL.

It does look as though you are being treated as unpaid staff - you turn up to look after the children so they can shop / go running, you bring lunch because they won't feed you. You need to stop bending to accommodate their pisstaking. With a bit of luck they'll fire you from their staff rota.

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