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AIBU with SIL

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fmama · 28/07/2015 22:03

APOLOGIES for the long post.... thanks for patience.

Both DH's and my families are overseas, except for DH's sister, her husband and their 3 children ages 13, 10 and 4. They both don't work and live off a generous allowance from SIL's MIL which includes 4 bedroom house in prime postcode, private school fees, full time live in cook/nanny, multiple long haul holidays a year etc. Whereas DH and I have 2 kids under 5, no outside childcare, living on half our former household income: we have the same qualifications and used to have the same job and salary, but I had to give up work after DC2 as childcare costs are equal to my salary. You may think this is a situation creating a lot of envy on my part but I can honestly say that I am quite contented to leave others be as long as we are left to get on with our lives in peace.

SIL and husband have several nights out during the week - movies, restaurants, concerts etc., and they host dinner parties regularly for their social group. All 3 of her children sleep with the nanny. We don't use babysitters ourselves so don't see anyone in the evenings, and our only free time are weekends as a family after housework and errands. SIL likes to arrange meetings on weekends and especially Sundays when her live-in has her off day. She texts or phones every week and it is always difficult to turn her down. We don't do very much socially ourselves and after housework and childcare, we simply don't have much free time left as a family. It has been a long term strain on our time and relationship whenever she suggests meeting up and we have to say no. So far we have managed to keep it to every other weekend. Put in perspective we see our close friends only once or twice a year.

When we do meet it's the whole day at their place - we would arrive an hour before lunch, as requested, "to let the kids play", and often find the adults still in bed. We would then mind their kids for a hour or so before SIL or her husband eventually comes downstairs. And only then they start prepping lunch, or driving to the supermarket, leaving all 3 kids with us, which also means we often eat at 2 or 3pm. We have always brought something to complement their meals but recently I have started to bring a full mains and sides so that the children can start eating nearer their usual lunchtime.

She has been making more requests than usual in recent months and in the last 5 weeks we have seen her family 4 weekends. We only didn't go that 5th time as DH had to work. DH took a day off yesterday (Monday) which was planned months ago so we could go away to a B&B for a long weekend holiday Sat-Mon as a family. DH told SIL about our holiday on the Friday before our holiday, and she asked if she could join us. DH said "ok whatever you like".

I was very upset when I found out. DH said he couldn't say anything else to her as he feels that his sister is always very keen on meeting us, and we are the ones saying no to her all the time. He then added how she has said that it's only because she wants the cousins to play together, that she was only thinking for the children, and lastly that she would like her children to be closer to their uncle.

To DH his sister sounds like she lives for her children, and DH buys that wholesale - but I am not so convinced. She doesn't do the morning school runs, they have home tutors, and all 3 children have after school activities 4 out of 5 days. She has intentionally planned trips, day-outs, and birthday parties for her older children excluding her youngest child and had left him with us instead. It seems that she can't cope with the youngest whenever the nanny is on her day-off.

DH is the 3rd child and SIL is the oldest. I feel that he has been under her thumb all his life but I don't want myself and my family to be under hers. I believe him when he says he doesn't want to see her as much as she wants to see us, but his preferred solution is whichever that is least work for him, which is to skip the negotiation and to just do whatever she wants to do. She can be described as persistent while he is passive. I do realise that a lot of this issue could be focused on how my DH manages her, but short of sucessfully getting him to do that - how can I approach this without appearing like I am coming in between him and his sister? Or is this actually reasonable between siblings, and I should be trying to get used to it seeing as I married him and his sister by proxy? What can/should I do? DH and I don't quarrel much and actually have quite a good relationship but this particular issue accounts for 90% of all our major fights. Grateful for any advice. Thank you all in advance.

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misskelly · 28/07/2015 22:56

I agree with Magoria, send the kids to them, I if it really is about the kids she can't argue with that. Or, even better, send them over with your dh and you can enjoy some free time and your dh will eventually catch on to what his sister is really up to.

EggOnTheFloor · 28/07/2015 22:57

If it will escalate a full scale family feud, then I'd suggest a passive aggressive attitude of finding a hobby one of your DC could do on Sunday, therefore meaning that you will need to dedicate your time to that and not be a free babysitter to lazy-arsed SIL.

NB this isn't the way I would handle it, but it sounds like both you and your DH aren't confident enough to deal with this directly.

RandomMess · 28/07/2015 22:57

I think as others have said you bounce this back on your DH until he wants to deal with his sister - then you will get your family time back.

Also if you do all the chores whilst he is gone with the DC it does mean lovely quality time the rest of the weekend.

musicalbingo · 28/07/2015 22:58

Just saw your latest post...

I think Mahonia and Adish both made good suggestions too...

I get family time is important but your DH does not seem to be on the same page as you. He sees time at his sisters as "family time" and time well spent.

Can you perhaps look at sending him over with the kids for a few Sundays as short term losses for long term gains...?

fmama · 28/07/2015 22:59

Thank you musicalbingo - I have just had a flash of my solution right this moment just typing it all out, talking with everyone. The answer is my DH isnt it? I can try to do everything everyone has suggested, but I can't do it without getting him on board. And as long as he doesn't want to say no to his sister I am stuck, arent I? I can plan to see them, then cancel, but I can't cancel if DH feels bad cancelling on them last minute.

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RandomMess · 28/07/2015 23:01

Yep your DH needs to suffer it alone until he sees the light...

whois · 28/07/2015 23:06

Yup just start sending him and your DCs alone.

Next week have a headache.
The week after a hair cut.
The week after you arranged to meet a friend.

DH will soon get sick of his free-loading sister who only wants to see him, you and your DCs for free childcare if you aren't there to do the work!

fmama · 28/07/2015 23:07

Thanks everyone! I can't have them over because we have tried this before... and they wont leave!! At least when we go over we can make excuses and leave (or when DC2 says "I want to go home" as he has done without prompting). I am currently on the case researching Sunday classes for the children to have a permanent (term time) excuse but am worried DH will object. He will almost certainly say "What about lunch with SIL"... and I guess we will still have to meet after the class.

I cannot tell you how RELIEVED I am to know that it is not only me who feels that once a month is enough. DH has been trying to tell me this is just how families work and mine is dysfunctional. My own family is very affectionate but we don't need to have regular conversations or meetings, whereas DH's mum speaks to him every other day on Facetime and SIL calls him at work more than me (which is almost never barring A&E incidents). His reasoning is that I get to see him at the end of everyday whereas they don't...

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clippityclop · 28/07/2015 23:08

You sound lovely, a lot more patient than me. The set up is enviable from a financial point of view, but very, very strange. I can't help but wonder what life will be like for SIL when the children become independent. What's BIL like, does he go along with everything his wife dictates? Go with your gut, get your husband to deal with it as has been suggested and make plans for yourself and your children andn say how much you miss him while he's out babysitting!

BrockAuLit · 28/07/2015 23:08

Cousins don't need to see each other 4 weekends out of 5 to be close.

Next time, offer up a Saturday, see what happens then.

Dont just drop your kids off and leave them, that's unfair on them given it doesn't even sound like they get on that well.

What do your children think?

musicalbingo · 28/07/2015 23:12

Happy to assist Smile

Yes it's tricky and when you do cancel you become the bad guy.
(I am speculating) he seems to be perceiving your attempts at space as a slight or perhaps rejection of "his" family and the more you try and worm your way out of events, the more he will push for attendance at other things to redress the balance and on and on it goes.

I think it has to come from him / you both need to be on the same page.
But I also think and few weekends of him sorting out the "cousins bonding" while you have a nice bath/relax wouldn't hurt him Wink

ADishBestEatenCold · 28/07/2015 23:13

" I hope I am not sounding obstinate/resistant to the simple answer you suggested"

No, you're not sounding obstinate ... it sounds that your SIL has organised things so that there is virtually no gap for you, other than the nanny's Sunday off, which SIL wants you to fill.

It might still be possible to suggest visits to your convenience, by using your knowledge of her everyday commitments.
I would still tell her that you are going to be committed to another arrangement for foreseeable Sundays, and then suggest meeting at different times ... some of which you already know she's going to be busy so must decline ... others which you know she's free but also know nanny is there.
The first week you could suggest you all come round for tea on that one weekday evening her kids don't have classes. You are making the effort ... up to her whether she chooses to agree.
A couple of weeks later, you could say, sorry, you're still committed to something else on Sundays ... how about you all come for brunch next Saturday instead. You can pretend to have forgotten, when she says they have classes!

And so on. Grin I think she would very quickly get the message and then the relationship between the two families could be more balanced.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 28/07/2015 23:14

Could you do exactly what they do? Invite them over, be in bed when they arrive, leave them with all the kids whilst you wander off to the supermarket, then serve up a very late lunch?

Maybe if you do it to them, they will realise how rude and inhospitable it is.

fmama · 28/07/2015 23:18

Thank you Clippity, you are too kind. I don't have any pretensions about being patient or the perfect SIL myself - I am not normally this diplomatic! I am only more cautious with this as it involves DH and I would do anything to prevent escalation into full family feud involving MIL. Bil is not really bothered as he wanders in and out of our lunches whenever he likes, wakes up whenever and he has been known to come down to greet us in jogging gear and then disappears for an hour!

Thank you BrockauLit - our children are not that fussed apart from being hungry! They are at the age where they mostly play by themselves, and really they are just happy being anywhere with their parents whereever that may be.

So what do I say to DH? How do I explain that this is not about taking time away from our children and their cousins? And that SIL is asking a bit too much?

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antimatter · 28/07/2015 23:19

Drop off your kids (with your dh in tow) at hers after their kids finish classes on Sat.

ADishBestEatenCold · 28/07/2015 23:20

Like musicalbingo's suggestions ... it wouldn't even be a white lie, if you told your DH on a Sunday morning that you felt sick (cos you do feel sick, sick of going Grin) ... but emphasise that you don't want to spoil everyone's day, so he and the children must go without you! They've not to worry, you'll be fine, if you go back to bed!

fmama · 28/07/2015 23:31

Thanks everyone - off to bed now. I will try all the white lies and delaying tactics and various strategies as you all suggested, to try to get him to "see the light" - but I can't rely on him, it might take years, decades - this is how he has been with her all his life, and he is not the most perceptive type; plus he always prefers the easiest solution which is to do nothing. I would really welcome any suggestions on how I can to get through to DH and to explain why I can't continue to go along with how he prefers to manage SIL, and why that is not being selfish on my part.

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BrockAuLit · 28/07/2015 23:35

Whatever you say, it must be the truth.

To me the issue is balance, and that what I would go with. You have no problem letting the cousins see each other. Actually, it's great. But not to the exclusion of your own free time with your family. Currently you have none because of this arrangement. You don't want to end it entirely, you just want to claw some time back so you have a balance between family life, hobbies, rest, the nuclear family, friends...everything. Like normal people do.

Also, dare it say it, it's not great for your kids. They need play time with other kids, they need to interact with people outside the family.

I would just tell DH that this arrangement only ever works fully for SIL and BIL, and not for either of you. They need to carry some of the burden too, and you want your family time back. It's easy really.

ijustwannadance · 28/07/2015 23:37

Why the hell did your SIL have kids?! Does she even know their names? She can't even look after her own kids for 1 day even though she does fuck all.
Sorry but your husband needs to either man up and see her for the spoiled princess she is or go alone. I wouldn't even make the kids go.

You must be so patient op, I wouldv'e just been completely straight and said, "look, we don't have someone's rich mummy funding our lazy bastard lifestyle so have to work hard to take care of our family and sunday is the one day of the week we get to spend together. We do not want to come to yours to look after your children just because you are incapable. I suggest you get a weekend nanny if you cant cope with your children for 12 whole hours a week.

TheForger · 28/07/2015 23:44

I agree with the suggestions that he should take the children for a bit. He will only change his views when going to his SILs becomes the more difficult option. Find things to do on the Sunday, not just activities, that can only be done on the Sunday e.g. events at NT places, picnics as the weather is better then and get the kids really excited about them so DH doesn't want to let them down. If he feels bad about it suggest that he invites SIL as it'll be fun and the children are really looking forward to it. Bet she won't want to do it. Once he has done it a couple of times he'll start to find it more fun than going over. Start inviting friends over so you have an excuse in place already. Just do it and stick on the calendar.

Can you tell I've been here as well, but for me it was holiday time when SIL wanted her DN occupied and DH wasn't around. No way, I planned what to do way in advance so I had a ready excuse. I can now pick and choose if I want to do something and if it's coveinient for me. Good luck.

fmama · 29/07/2015 00:10

I admit I am also taking a cowardly position on this issue - normally more assertive in other areas of my life. I am terrified that it might escalate and most of all... That DH will not take my side. I need to get him on MY side. He can't get past "you are our only family" and "it's all for the kids".

I can't help thinking that something is lost in translation with DH, that he needs a feminine form
of mansplaining. Why are strangers on Mumsnet getting me instantly and I have been trying and failing to get him to see it from my point of view? That I'm not trying to make things difficult for him?

Thanks again for all your thoughts xx

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Shelby2010 · 29/07/2015 01:01

The other thing to try is to decide what you'd like to do & invite SIL along. Eg Taking the DC to the zoo or park.. 'Hey SIL the kids would love it, why dont you & BIL meet us there, text us when you arrive, we can have lunch in the pub afterwards.' Make sure you're not hanging around waiting for them and get on with your day. Puts the onus on them to get themselves & children up & out, and make sure there's no where for them to slope off to. Bet SIL doesn't bother making the effort more than once.

sykadelic · 29/07/2015 03:26

Honestly OP I think the only way is to let him get on with it without you.

If it's "all for the kids" then your presence isn't required. If it's about the kids being together, then thank SIL for babysitting and leave HER with the kids, you don't need to be there too.

If it's about adult time together, spending time monitoring the kids is hardly conducive to good adult time, so, a change should be made.

I would try and talk to DH instead of dictating (as he sees it, so its easier to come to the decision himself). I would tell him that the status quo isn't working for you and that changes need to be made. That you don't dislike SIL, or spending time with her and the kids, but you feel that your little family should be spending more time alone together and that it's not fair to your kids that their weekends with their parents are spent with other people. I would try suggesting planned activities with SIL and the kids outside the house (making it easier to leave and easier not to be drawn into the waiting). Making positive memories, quality over quantity. I would suggest times that you both get a sitter and spend adult time alone together (if that's what you want). With the age difference the kids won't want to spend time together all the time and all this is going to do is make them start getting resentful.

As a kid I loved spending time with my cousins because it was rare. Distance makes the heart grow fonder and all that.

p.s. Talking every other day is draining. You don't have to speak every other day, or see each other every weekend to stay close. If it was true it would be very sad for the rest of us that don't...

Hellion7433 · 29/07/2015 04:13

Don't arrange to go for lunch, go for supper instead. Arrive at 4 or 5 and tell them you need to leave by 7 for bedtime.

Or just stay for coffee and cake for an hour or two. As long as you prewarn them that you are staying for such a short time.

I know you want to be together. However I would say to your DH that you're not going to SIL's for the next three weeks (you have other things planned with the kids but don't say what) and let him choose what to do. He can go on his own and you can do something you've planned.

He probably needs to feel/see the effects of his spinelessness, before he will speak up. At the moment you are attending and going along with it and that's why he's getting away with cow towing to his sister.

Also you could take the initiative more. Email/text SIL and say 'it was nice to see you today. We are free to meet up next on x date. Bit busy over the next two weekends with various things but we can make the x date super special to make up for it I'm sure'

Another idea is to meet for a picnic in the park or out somewhere where food/meeting will be timely and kept short

icklekid · 29/07/2015 04:48

But OP I think the reason people are suggesting dh go alone is short term pain (not seeing them that afternoon ) gor long term gain (dh stands up to sil more) so might be worth considering.

I think you need to agree with dh how often you want to see sil and then for a few months make plans the other Sundays- that might mean seeing other friends or just going for a picnic as a family. It can even just be a family movie afternoon just something you agree as a family so you can't go to sil's. Is it worth inviting them round every other month so they can't stay in bed/you have lunch at normal time?