To wonder why people in receipt of Working Tax Credits are considered in the same vein as "benefit scroungers"

[shrunkenhead]

I was under the impression that those people in receipt of WTCs DO work (hence the name) but are poorly paid so the government bump it up with these credits so they can afford to live. So you have to work to claim them.... However lately I have heard several people say they are glad the government are slashing these benefits and talk of them along similar lines to JSA/DLA etc etc generally benefit bashing "just get a job" etc etc.
So, am I missing something? Have I got it all wrong? I thought WTCs were all about "making work pay"....?

*The torys have targeted families with disabilities under the last government and are already doing so again

Under the coalition (mainly torys obviously) DLA (fruad rate of 0.5%) was changed to PIPs with DC saying it was to cut 20% of claiments. This cuts the figures eligible to claim disability element of wtc. They cut disabled students allowance, and now scrapped it altogether. The bedroom tax disproportionately effects people with disabilities who may have an adapted house they can't leave. Or maybe they need the second bedroom because their child's asd &Adhd causes sleep problems which negatively effects their other child. Adult education fund (that people with disabilities often access) was scrapped. Under the torys themselves they have cut the funds to access to work fund and ilfs are 'transfered' to councils (which is at their discretion to use) and cut. The new budget will also disproportionately effect those with disabilities as many rely on tcs due to limited access to employment. They also changed esa so most people will only be able to claim the lower rate (which is half of what they would normallyclaim). They have also drasticly cut ffunding to disability charities over both governments.

That's not including cuts to NHS, sw, education that again disproportionately effect those living with disabilities.

Under the coalition we went from having one of the best records on treatment of the disabled to one of the world's worst. That's horrific. And then there'sthe rumours about the uUN gearing up to investigate the UK as the first ever country to violate the convention on the rights of disabledpeople.

Anyone who voted Tory either knows this and doesn't care, or the voted in ignorance- in which case there's a serious problem with the electorate. I don't want to name call, but its hard not to agree with pps sentiment re Tory voters when you know the ins and outs of how they are targeting the disabled. Have a read of disability rights UK website.*

Someone PLEASE send this ^^ to Drowning street!!!! SPOT ON!

oops that was supposed to be in bold, the posters post!

The Tories will ensure the nation is not bankrupt like Greece. Little will benefit the disabled more than that. Under Labour they might have ended up with no benefits at all! The voters are sensible people and know the Tories are doing the right thing all round and we are lucky to have them.

Hmm I would name change if I were you

From an economic pov during times of depression it is more logical to up public spending not cut it. Proportionally speaking we had greater debt after the second world war and that's when nhs and wellfare state were created meaning we spent a lot more- and it boosted the economy. Poor people spend money, rich save, so public money going to the poorer people goes straight back into the economy. Giving the higher tax payers more money will result in it being saved. This will not create a strong economy.

Blue perhaps then. I don't agree we have to spend our way out of recessions and no one runs a family like that. It's all simple economics - you don't spend what you don't have and the British voted in a Government which will do that. The ultimate true winners will be those at the bottom in terms of income.

Red- a country's economy is nothing like a household's. You can't compare the two.

It may not sound right but it is actually good and necessary for a country to have debt, otherwise it can't function properly.

This government is playing on the fact that the vast majority of the population has never studied economics academically.

It's no coincidence it's such a rare subject at school.

Imo it should be offered in ALL schools and seen as important as mfl/science.

No Athena I reckon the problem is GO and co read the primer on running a small firm under conditions of perfect competition. Sometimes a little knowledge ...

oh red, saying the ultimate winners will be those at the bottom in terms of income is exactly the opposite of the truth

Like pp said the country's economics are nothing like a families. You don't have to agree with my pov however you may want to read the opinions of the economic school of thought because they are the experts.

If the torys wanted to save money there are much more efficient and effective ways of doing so- clamp down on corporation tax and bankers tax breaks on bonuses, cap private rents so hb isn't pining the pockets of private landlords, turn the houses of Parliament into a museum and build an easy to maintain building fit for purpose- this saves money, creates jobs and brings in revenue. There's a number of other similar, logical ways to save money without penalising the most vulnerable, but I won't list them all as I fear is be here all day.

RedDaisyRed, do you really believe that those at the bottom in terms of income will be the ultimate winners?

Flippin heck RedDaisyRed

I agree with you

Ok those who aren't earning have had cuts and it is diabolical how they will lose under this government.
However, those who are working will still receive benefit especially if on a low income, although this has been/ will be cut further.
The winners are those who are at the bottom in terms of income/earnings.