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A decent budget for low paid workers.

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Sickoffrozen · 08/07/2015 14:16

Aibu to think that overall the budget was good news for the low paid with a big increase in minimum wages announced?

Seems like a decent idea to me.

But I stand to be corrected.....

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Singleandproud · 08/07/2015 16:43

Single Parent, 1 child, working Public Sector Term Time only 25hours a week - not likely I can increase these and get child care
Salary £8557 a year
New proposed tax credit withdrawal over £3000 @41p per £1
Currently pay 85% of my income over the minimum allowance for rent (£60 approx on a £72 a week rent)

I'm screwed aren't I?

EllieFAntspoo · 08/07/2015 16:44

YouTheCat Have you thought about learning to earn money on your own instead of depending on your employer? Especially if you currently have the safety net of 16 hours a week?

The difference between those who succeed and those who fail in their productive working life, often comes down to what they choose to do in their spare time.

ChuffinAda · 08/07/2015 16:44

I would imagine there are caveats to the headline statements so that people like care leavers are protected still.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 08/07/2015 16:48

When the bedroom tax was introduced there were exemptions. Careleavers will be exempt from this. I worry about the vulnerable young people with abusive families who never made it into care. What the hell will happen to those? I foresee additional budgets to pay their rent like the discretionary housing fund being introduced.

ChuffinAda · 08/07/2015 16:51

I would hope councils will retain pockets of funding for unforseen circumstances like those you mention Ehric I would imagine the pot will be bigger in the provinces than say tower hamlets.

I'm hoping we will soon get a council tax increase as we can't sustain local government with constant cuts and constant freezes on council tax.

EllieFAntspoo · 08/07/2015 16:56

people relying on tax credit s is why the country is skint
Don't talk rubbish.

More accurately, the country is 'skint' because it incorrectly operates a welfare state system. When the number of people who bring money into the system is exceeded by those who take money from the system, and those who move money around within the system, but require payment to do so, then the system can only ever run at a deficit.

Any system that continually operates at a deficit is guaranteed to fail. The fact that it has been operating at a loss of for 48 out of the last 50 years, and all we hear from the public is, 'give us more for free, we're entitled', tells us we are going to see either dramatic cuts to try to save the system, or a systemic failure.

Socialism always runs out of other people to take money from to pay for those who cannot live within society unaided.

EllieFAntspoo · 08/07/2015 17:01

If there is one thing we can guarantee, if you think you're going to be worse off now, next year's budget will be far harder on you. The economies of all the developed nations are over extended and have to contract. The welfare system has to contract by some 40% to reach a level where it can be sustained. That can only come from removing people's welfare, or removing people from welfare. If growth will not permit the later, then the former is what will happen. Buckle in and get used to Supernoodles.

Playthegameout · 08/07/2015 17:10

It won't impact us, but it will certainly hit the kids I teach. They're already completely disillusioned. The attitudes of some a very difficult to swallow, knowing first hand the situations some of our young people are growing up in.

DownstairsMixUp · 08/07/2015 17:28

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Dawndonnaagain · 08/07/2015 17:29

More accurately, the country is 'skint' because it incorrectly operates a welfare state system
So what would you prefer? Workhouses or nothing?

BettyCatKitten · 08/07/2015 17:34

Dawn probably all dead.

Sleepsoftly · 08/07/2015 17:36

The £9 per hour in 2020 compared to £6.70 from October represents a post inflation increase of 4% pa compound. Thats generous by many (but not all) standards.

ChuffinAda · 08/07/2015 17:38

I firmly believe care workers shouldn't be on an hourly rate but that they should be salaried and be allowed to claim mileage. I think a campaign is long overdue to protect carers and give them the respect they deserve.

QuiteLikely5 · 08/07/2015 17:41

If you like a job that pays a low wage then you need to accept the consequences of that which would be low earnings.........

I would have loved to be a hairdresser but I never followed up on it because I knew the money would never be good enough for me.

It's all about choices and responsibility. If you are going to take a low paid job I don't think it's correct that the people who decided to aim for a better paid job should have to finance you. I mean that kindly.

4EverScottish · 08/07/2015 17:42

Bollocks it is. We're going to lose a lot of money with no hope to get the money from our employers.

derektheladyhamster · 08/07/2015 17:45

What happens when the councils have to pay £9/hr to all their low paid employees? Will their budgets be increased to cover this or will there be more cuts to the services?

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Dawndonnaagain · 08/07/2015 17:47

It's all about choices and responsibility.
In which case we would have very few teachers, nurses, social workers and carers.

DopeyDawg · 08/07/2015 17:52

CAn anyone say what is happening re: WRAG, pls?

honeyandfizz · 08/07/2015 17:53

My dm earns minimum wage as a carer for people with learning difficulties. I just rang her to ask her if she was pleased at the raise in wages - she has already been told that her company have advised them that they will have to reduce their enhancements to pay for this. They will not be ANY better off because of this.

They already forfeited a weeks annual leave a few years ago & havent had a pay rise for 8 years. I think many other companies who pay minimum wage will follow suit in some way as they won't be able to afford this Sad

vvega · 08/07/2015 17:54

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Dawndonnaagain · 08/07/2015 17:58

wrag will be the same as jsa but only for new claimants. Support group unchanged
Which means they are penalising those with disabilities because 1) There are fewer jobs available for people with disabilites and 2) We all know how many people are put in the wrong bloody group!

blendedfamilygrinch · 08/07/2015 18:03

Is there a way of hiding certain posters?

BeyondTheWall · 08/07/2015 18:03

So wrag will then have to

  • attend interviews every fortnight (is that right?) at the jc
  • do workfare
  • get paid jsa rate

What exactly is the point of there being a wrag then??

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