A decent budget for low paid workers.

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Aibu to think that overall the budget was good news for the low paid with a big increase in minimum wages announced?

Seems like a decent idea to me.

But I stand to be corrected.....

Ellie, you are pretty daft if you do t claim tax credits out of pride or not want to live in ' subsidised' (do you mean social?) housing. The rent you are paying is just going straight in the pocket of your landlord. If you lived in council or HA housing then the money you paid would go back to them to fund more social housing or repairs.

Charmed86, wow breathtaking lack of empathy. I assume you do not have a child who is disabled or been sick or disabled yourself in your whole life?

Charmed86- are you totally financially self supporting then?

As you are well aware, I'm at home looking after three people with disabilites. However, I'm in a four bedroomed detached house, which I own, mortgage free, close to the sea, and rural. Ds1 is a bank manager. Ds2 achieving firsts at uni. Dd1 has an unconditional for NEXT year, somewhat unusual, and dd2 will also be off to uni next year. Despite being on benefits, I think we're pretty successful, and we do it without spouting trite shite. Clever aren't we.
I am not aware of you or your family, sorry. You appear to be indicating a goodly measure of success in your family. Yet you do not ascribe success to hard work or determination. Indeed, you shoot down in flames those who suggest those things may benefit an individual. So how exactly does one achieve such success? It looks a lot like hard work and determination to me.

I am totally financially independent yes. People have no idea how lucky they are to receive what they do in this country. We get given so much (schopoling, healthcare, food, housing etc) and yet people want more.

People should take responsibility for themselves, rather than expecting everyone else to fund them

AmazingG I sat on a waiting list for ten years for social housing, way beck when. Then my prospects changed, my career took of, and I had no need to remain on the list. I also had no kids, and a job that took me all over Europe. Along with it came financial irresponsibility, loss of everything I owned, and financial ruin. So now I choose to depend on no-one except my partner. Ignorant, maybe. Foolish, maybe. Naive, maybe. But it makes me happy. It's a stack of cards like everything else, and it could come tumbling down at any moment, I suppose, but living on a tight budget gives me a degree of freedom. It's not like I scavenge in bins and live in a skip. There are always worse off poeple in the world than me.

charmed86 Did you join just to have a go at someone with a child with additional needs, or for some other reason. At the moment it's looking like the former, in which case I suggest you fuck off and get back to studying for the A levels you're probably going to fail.

Dawndonnaagain - It reveals a certain lack of character to swear at someone who hasn't been offensive or aggressive.

I am not having a go at anyone, I am suggesting that people should be more financially responsible for their loved ones. I argue that we should have individual responsibility, rather than absolving ourselves of that and relying on collective responsibility.

Why would you use a jibe at my perceived age as an insult? Does it make you feel big to mock those younger than you? If it does, that makes you a bully. For your information, I am master degree level educated and work in a senior position in a large company that you would have heard of.

The child concerned is likely to already be receiving a heck of a lot from the state. These are hard times and some cut backs are required.

I joined this forum to actually help people through parenthood, as I have done it myself a few times, and can offer help and advice.

I saw this thread about the budget and thought I would have a look.

Charmed

Firstly, the brevity of your initial response left your position and intent unclear.

Secondly, any question of personal responsibility on MN has be given with the caveat that it is directed at those capable of doing so, as there is a very vocal comminity of disabled and their partners, or parents on here, and they take great offence at anything you may intend to be directed to the populous in general, as a direct attack upon them. You may not intend that, but that is what they will take you to mean unless you are exhaustively explicit to the contrary.

That is the way it is I have found. If a discussion about benefits, work, housing, education, can be truned to be taken as an affront on those with disabilities, it tends to do so. It seems to be a culture, and it increases ones post length no end.

Post a list caveats.

Charmed86 we don't get given free schooling and healthcare- we pay for it through our taxes- only a tiny percentage of people in this country have never paid taxes. Food and housing aren't free either. We pay the full rent for our HA house. Food banks can only give food parcels three times over 6 months- I wouldn't call that free food.

Charmed86 and Ellie- just because you have managed to find a self sufficient lifestyle, that's great for you but don't suppose that everyone else can do it too. Determination and hard work don't always equal 'success'(take it you mean financial and career success by this). Sometimes success comes with helping hand from parents, inheritances, being able to go to college, having functional parents, living in areas of high employment, no unforeseen circumstances such as sickness, disability, divorce, bereavement etc.

Elliefantspoo - Great name by the way :)

Thanks for the heads up, I am new here. However, I will not by stopped expressing my opinions (unless they happen to be contrary to the rules of this privately owned forum), by people who have different opinions to me. I would never attack the disabled (someone very close to me has cerebral palsy), but when the forum topic is the budget, it is absolutely fair to discuss fiscal management. It is also fair to comment on someones individual circumstance should they introduce it to the thread.

amazinggrace

We absolutely do get free schooling. It costs approximately £4000 per year to educate a child. This means to pay the government back for education ALONE (ie not health care, including the cost of being born, roads, defence etc), one needs to pay back a minimum of 48,000 in taxes.

Food is free for people who rely solely on benefits, as the money they spend on it isn't earned, but given to them.

How can it be good to wait five years for an extra few pounds? By then inflation could have increased and it will be worth nothing. ( And then only if you are over 25!!)
In five years we may have a new government who will rescind that so it is promise they don't have to keep. Meanwhile the removal of tax credits kicks in now.

No, it doesn't make me big or strong or anything else charmed. I too have a degree level education. Now, does your Masters give you the right to send threatening pms? I've reported it to Mumsnet.

DAwn swears and rants and anyone who doesn't agree with her.

How are you helping people charmed by sending unpleasant pms to dawn?

Hillingdon just for once love, give me a break, please. This person is threatening me via messages.

Dawn - I am very upset that you are accusing me of sending threatening communications, when in fact it is you doing so.

Below is a copy and paste of the message I sent you, I think I was fairly polite.

^This is a parent forum and therefore should be family friendly.

I accept that you may be hormonal, but please try to conduct yourself with the grace that polite society expects.

Any further vulgarity will be reported to the appropriate authorities, including (depending on the level of abuse), the police. You would be in breach of the malicious communications act of 1988.

Thanking you for your time^

It seems that you are known for being sweary and absuvie on this forum, which is such a shame considering it is supposed to be a family forum.

I am new here, can anyone help direct me to the ignore function please?

Egosumquisum

I fear you have missed the point entirely. I was pointing out how lucky we are in this country to get schooling at a massively subsidised rate, if not free. My point was that we are so lucky to get so much, yet people still seem to think they are hard done by and want more.

Dawn

I was threatening to call the police and report you to mumsnet if you kept swearing at me. I would hardly call that threatening messages. You swore at me, for no reason other than you disagreed with me. This would be considered bullying by most people, especially as you seem to be an established member and I am new.

charmed We swear on mumsnet. The majority of us do.
Threatening to call the police is exactly that, threatening me.
I thought from your post you were on a wind up. Obviously not. However, still doesn't give you the right to immediately message me and threaten me. If you're new, perhaps taking a look around first might give you a feel for the place, but do be prepared to be shocked, many, many of us swear, frequently.

Oh, and by the way, I'm a retired lecturer looking after a severely ill and disabled dh and two disabled dds. It's bloody hard work.

Dawn

Swearing is ok, swearing at someone is not. It makes it worse when you go and tell everyone else that I sent you a threatening message. I would be very surprised if mumsnet allowed it's members to viciously swear at each other. Even if the site does, the law does not.

However, lets put this behind us

Dawn - I really have to disagree with you. The majority DONT swear when they don't get their own way. I know you have a set of circumstances that are unusual, however name calling and swearing is awful and insulting to people who have a different view from you and I would like to say to you - GIVE IT A REST AND ACCEPT THAT NOT EVERYONE WILL THINK THE SAME AS YOU.