To tell on my friend re Accutane off internet?

[LeftMyRidingCropInTheMortuary]

Hello.
My friend has had moderate acne on chin, neck and chest since a teen. Her gp refused referral to dermatologist for Accutane due to history of depression. Friend told me she now ordered some off internet. Wibu to tell her mum? In case she goes suicidal? Shld I report to police to intercept illegal package?
Thanks.
Ps friend has tried everything else gp will prescribe apparently. What if this wld actually help her???

Please tell me exactly what I am blaming a victim for.

Because I don't think you understand there is a difference between blaming a woman for being raped and saying abstinence is a poor choice of contraception while on accutane as sex can and does result in pregnancy and abstinence is not a choice that is respected by rapists, by definition.

Contrary to the assertions of ignorant American politician and judges, pregnancy can happen because of rape and also through consensual sex. If a woman is sure she is not going to have consensual sex or be raped while on accutane then fine, proceed with abstinence.

But how can a woman be sure she is not going to be raped?

Are there women who think only certain types of women get raped -- and not them? Are there women who secretly, deep down, believe that women who get raped are somehow asking for it or going about their lives the wrong way, and as long as they do not fall into that category then they will be fine?

Are there women who are prescribed accutane who think....

That last post is pretty much a textbook example of victim blaming.

So just to be clear, we are talking about a woman who plans to be abstinent and who doesn't voluntarily have sex. We aren't talking about women who 'slip up'. We aren't talking about teenagers who lie to the HCP and have sex. We are talking about women who have sex because they are raped.

You are telling those women that they are responsible for policing the consequences of their rape. That is victim blaming.

You are telling those women (who incidentally may be utterly pro choice. And of course there are plenty of women who would not normally consider termination who would do in that situation) that instead of telling the right wing nut jobs to fuck off and fighting their corner, instead they should take hormonal contraception just in case they are raped. That is victim blaming.

You are telling those women that, if they become pregnant as a result of rape they were irresponsible for not planning for the possibility of rape by taking hormonal contraception. That is victim blaming.

And i'm not even going to dignify the attempt at twisting things round with the "I'm special I won't get raped" claptrap with an answer.

You know what. I have read all the toing and froing on this thread and if the Fda and statistics people could just add another column that said result of sexual abuse/rape to the reason for abortion whilst on the drug it would be a lot easier/more respectful to the women on this treatment.
It feels like the thread is moving towards an assertion that a contraceptive implant and the coil should be insisted upon prior to prescription of the drug because we can't be arsed to take note of this horrific situation some women on the drug find themselves in.
Insulting really.

We all know women who are raped don't 'have sex'. They are not having sex. They are being raped.

I am saying that women who go on accutane should not rely on abstinence to avoid pregnancy while on accutane.

As to the accusation that I am saying women who choose abstinence and are raped while on accutane are 'responsible for policing the consequences of that rape' -- whatever is that supposed to mean? You are really reaching here.

Women are always the ones who must deal with the aftermath of rape no matter what the circumstances. That is not victim blaming. That is just a statement of cold, hard reality. That is part of what makes rape so cruel.

Is it 'victim blaming' to say a woman who finds herself pregnant after being raped while on accutane has a decision to make?
Is it 'victim blaming' to say women who are raped while on accutane and find themselves pregnant face the prospect of bearing a deformed or brain damaged baby or termination?
Is it 'victim blaming' to say that women have a clear choice, that is explained to them at some length, along with the fact that isotretinoin is a teratogen, about the methods of contraception they choose?

When you make this important informed choice you are asked to examine the consequences as part of your decision making process.
Rape is not a consequence.
Pregnancy as a potential consequence of potential rape is a potential consequence of choosing abstinence while on accutane that women need to take into account.

I do not understand how any woman could willingly and after carefully considering all the potential consequences choose abstinence as a method of contraception while on accutane unless she holds beliefs about rape and rape victims that are the same as those of ignorant conservative politicians.

I do not think it is because women 'can't be arsed' to think things through. I think attitudes to rape run deeper amongst women than we might like to believe.

'telling the right wing nut jobs to fuck off and fighting their corner, instead they should take hormonal contraception just in case they are raped. That is victim blaming.'

Yeah, telling the right wing nut jobs to fuck off always works. That is why they are so silent and bashful and apologetic about putting forth their pov.

Seriously? What parallel universe do you inhabit?

Yeah, telling the right wing nut jobs to fuck off always works. That is why they are so silent and bashful and apologetic about putting forth their pov.

Which is why your answer is to play along and make sure you don't upset them? To ensure that you don't give them anything to get upset about by ensuring that, if you are raped, god forbid you have a termination.

Yes, I appear to live in a parallel universe to you.

You say potato. I say vile misogynist victim blaming crap.

You know what, I'm out.

I have tried to continue this conversation because I am fully aware of how many people you have silenced with your tactics.

But I've said enough now. I am sure that those reading can see your opinions for what they are (and thank you to the other poster who chipped in. Proved someone was still reading).

You may wish to believe your views are pragmatic, or realistic, or (god knows how) supportive of women. You have repeatedly stated that you think you aren't victim blaming.

You are.

Good example of claptrap right there. You are saying that not only do rape victims have to deal with rape, they now have to man the barricades against conservatism, police the attitudes of society towards both rape and abortion, and also try to persuade pharmaceutical companies not to be afraid of the lobby that is working against them.

Manufacturers are already under pressure because isotretinoin is associated with depression and suicide, ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease, but most of all its association with birth defects and its resultant association with abortion places it in a very vulnerable position in a society where the right to abortion is still hotly contested and where attitudes to abortion are very mixed.

It is a FDA class X drug, carrying the highest possible risk for pregnant women and their foetuses: 'Studies in animals or humans have demonstrated fetal abnormalities and/or there is positive evidence of human fetal risk based on adverse reaction data from investigational or marketing experience, and the risks involved in use of the drug in pregnant women clearly outweigh potential benefits.'

Insisting on fail safe methods of contraception for women not abstinence while on accutane will make it possible for women to go on benefitting from accutane. Insisting that abstinence is as good an option as all the rest is going to result in an end to accutane, maybe not for all, maybe just for women of childbearing age. Severe cystic acne is an equal opportunity destroyer of lives.

That is not what I said. I said you should stop with the victim blaming.

And that is why I am out. I find your views utterly hateful and misogynistic. And you twist every response to argue black is white and to make out that anyone agreeing you is unreasonable.

I am hiding this thread.

You can hide it all you like but it's still here. Just like all the rest of the reality you want to deny.

by the direction this thread had taken-- some people have far too much time on their hands.

I'm going a bit off topic here but I was just re-reading this thread earlier and I noticed something mathanxiety posted a few days ago that I've only just noticed.

That 'lesbian' poster was a troll as it turned out, fyi.

Really ? Which one was that?

Maybe we're thinking of different posters but I'm Facebook friends with a member of a different forum which I frequent quite often. I've never met her in real life though, I just "know" her online but she's told me that she has been on here before. She is a lesbian and was also planning on taking (had already taken?) roaccutane.

I know there was a troll a while ago who made up some weird shit about her friend who was on roaccutane and that thread was deleted. That thread was zapped pretty quickly IIRC as it was obviously a load of shit. That was the troll I was referring to at the beginning of this thread and also why I thought this thread was a bit at first. She wasn't a lesbian though.

The thread to which I contributed was started by someone claiming to be a lesbian who couldn't take hormonal contraception. The OP turned out to be a troll. The thread went on for quite a while. It is possible you missed it.

mathanxiety, I am perplexed by your argument, as I fail to see how it is different to saying "All women of childbearing age (whether taking Roaccutane or not) should, if they would consider a termination if they got pregnant after being raped, be on two types of contraception at all times". If abstinence isn't a good enough form of contraception while on Roaccutane (because you could be raped), I don't really see why it would be a good enough form of contraception for any woman in any circumstances (because she could be raped). In saying this, I'm assuming that most women who have the option to terminate a pregnancy caused by a rape would choose to do so.

I'm not expressing this very well, but do you see what I mean?

Ah, right.

In that case it's not the person I'm thinking of.

The critical difference is that accutane is linked to abortion and in the radar of groups who wish to limit abortion rights.

I am not talking about all women under any circumstances. I am looking at the matter from the context of the chipping away at abortion rights.