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AIBU?

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To be upset,, embarrassed and ashamed of this situation?

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AshamedEmbarrassedAndAll · 30/06/2015 23:18

I have namechanged as in all honesty I feel utterly ashamed of this situation and am very upset.

DD is 6 and is in year 1 at school. At the beginning of reception she became friends with another girl. The mum chatted to me a lot and we met up a few times with the girls, but the mum was extremely full on, eg she told me after she'd known me for a few weeks that I was one of her best friends, and she wanted constant text contact throughout the day and wanted to see me every day.

It was all very demanding and I didn't feel comfortable so I disengaged with her a bit, but was of course still polite and friendly. And by this stage DD and her DD had drifted anyway and each seemed to have other friends at school.

It all resulted anyway in her marching up to me at collection one day and shouting loudly in front of others calling me a terrible friend, as well as other not very nice names. Followed up by several telephone calls telling me not to ever speak to her again, as well as threats such as this is only the beginning of it all and I would soon find out what it was like to have her as an enemy! I tried a couple of times to smooth things over but she didn't answer her phone when I called and ignored me when I tried to speak to her in person, so I just left it and have not spoken to her since.

She, however, has not let it go and has basically harrassed me throughout the past 18 months. She is, unfortunately, one of those mums that absolutely has to be best mates with everyone, and has to know everyone else's business. She seems to have made it her mission to slag me off (loudly, so that I can hear presumably!) whenever I am around. She arranges group nights out for the other mums, which of course I am not invited to. And large birthday parties for her daughter; this year the whole class was invited except for my DD! Her DD also goes to every possible local club imaginable and so it restricts me from sending my DD as I would just be hassled by her there. Oh and I can't help out on the PTA either as this woman is on that and I just cannot be arsed with the hassle I'd get from her! And birthday parties are a nightmare as she just picks at me.

Her campaign of getting people not to talk to me seems to have worked; I would say that around 50% of mums from DDs year give me a very wide berth and aren't as warm to me as they are to others. It's like they feel they have to avoid me at all costs. I have tried to make small talk with them and am always polite and friendly but lets just say it is obvious that they do not want to associate with me, and to be honest I cannot blame them as who would want to be involved with someone that someone else clearly loathes?

She is also very matey with the teacher. Every morning she stands in the doorway chatting to the teacher like the teacher is her best friend in the world. The teacher seems to think she is absolutely brilliant.

I just feel as though it has all cast a terrible cloud on my youngest child's first school years. I don't want to move her to another school as my other DCs attended it and I like the school, plus it is in our village so is our local school.

I feel so ashamed and embarrassed about the whole situation. I suffer from anxiety and depression anyway so it's made it worse. My mum has been poorly recently, and I have had various other stressful things and this constant nastiness just feels like it is going to break me :(

OP posts:
ppolly · 01/07/2015 12:02

Is your dd happy at the school? if she is then you can cultivate the mums who are talking to you and form a little group of your own. certainly your dd should be able to go to any clubs she likes, without fear - even if you have to go,with fear. I am not confrontational either and I also have panic attacks, so my approach would be to withdraw my focus from this woman, to my own happiness. I love some of the ideas on this thread, though. village life can be really tough.

CainInThePunting · 01/07/2015 12:05

To answer you literally, YABU to feel embarrassed and ashamed. Not to feel upset though.
You can't change her behaviour but you can change how you react to it, if walk into school feeling like that you may be giving the impression to others that you have something to feel embarrassed and ashamed about and they might wonder if there is truth in her lies.
Even if you don't feel it you need to walk into school with your head held high, be cheerful and friendly with others and project a confident, happy persona. Adopt the 'pride stance' for two minutes before you leave the house!
Please listen to this TED Talk, I'm in no way associated with it, I just found it inspirational.

www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_shapes_who_you_are?language=en

Once you have 'faked it' for a bit you might feel confident enough to confront her.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 01/07/2015 12:32

Oh, how I bet the teacher dreads her coming up to 'chat' every time the door is opened!

We had a mum like this is DS2's primary school year group. In Reception & Year 1 she was absolutely everywhere. By Year 6 she had alienated so many people that she was waiting in the car for her DS to come out of school.

The tide turned gradually but one significant event was during Year 3, when the dad of one of the year group passed away very suddenly. The man & his wife were one of the families already alienated, excluded from parties, bad mouthed, pointed at with sly giggles etc. etc. However, the woman obviously thought that being a widow gave the mum a new, more interesting, status and tried to befriend her, going to the extent of taking it upon herself to instruct the class teacher as to how she should handle the family's grief Shock. (Class teacher was lovely and more than capable BTW).

One afternoon, newly widowed mum decided enough was enough & gave the woman rather a lot of home truths, very loudly, on the playground. Mainly revolving around the fact that she had treated her husband, herself & their DC like rubbish whilst he was alive so why the hell would she want her "help" now? She had plenty of real friends so why would she need a fake bitch friend sticking her nose in? But with many more "fucks". (This was before the DCs came out of school for anyone concerned with small ears overhearing swearing).

Newly widowed mum got a round of applause from other waiting parents & bully mum disappeared into school to complain to the HT. The HT sent her packing, agreeing that the response was appropriate in the circumstances.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 01/07/2015 12:37

And to answer your question - YABU to feel ashamed and embarrassed.

You have done nothing wrong. At all.

It's the grown woman acting like a 4 year old who should feel ashamed & embarrassed.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 01/07/2015 13:33

I work FT too so I volunteered to update the class lists for the PTA and did it during working hours for my DD's year group. Basically a spreadsheet of everyone's name, addresses, contact details kids birth dates, school house, childminder/nanny contact details .
It's dead handy for playdates but also for chasing up birthday invites when you haven't had a response Grin

LoisEinhorn · 01/07/2015 15:48

Cain that video is fab!

haveabreakhaveakitkat · 01/07/2015 16:37

Brilliant video Cain. Thanks for sharing it.

Shakey1500 · 09/07/2015 14:31

How's things?

Hezaire · 09/07/2015 15:41

You will not be the only one she's doing this to

ltk · 09/07/2015 15:54

It's neen suggested upthread, but I would do one of two things:

If you are the patient sort, wait it out. She will hang herself but this is a long and imperfect process.

Two, in a public, PTA type setting, wait for her to come up to you and then yell loudly, so everyone can here, some sort of interesting accusation, ie, "I have told you a hundred times that I will NOT have sex with you. You have been threatening me and bullying me for too long about this. Find someone else to hit on.'

windchime · 09/07/2015 16:20

Give us her phone number, OP, so we can impart some MN wisdom upon her Wink

Fluffybear86 · 09/07/2015 17:59

Wonder why I don't bother with new people that's awful

AshamedEmbarrassedAndAll · 14/07/2015 18:47

Hi all, sorry for the delay in updating.

Things aren't great tbh.

This woman was at an activity the other day with one of the other mums that I am friendly with and basically gave my friend a sob story about how horrible I am and saying that she doesn't like me.

My friend told me all of this and basically said that I must have done something to make this woman not like me and that she is not getting involved but it would be a good idea if I gave this woman an olive branch and phoned up and apologised!!

I glossed over it, said I am not apologising as I've done nothing wrong, and made out that I wasn't bothered but I am very upset!

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Jux · 14/07/2015 18:55

Being upset is natural. I would let people know that you are, tbh. This woman has no compunction about anything and will lie her head off. Just tell your friends the truth and tell tham you are finding it increasingly hard to cope with all this. The old bag is adept t manipulation, and is already on the way to getting that friend feeling sorry for her.

ClaraM · 14/07/2015 19:20

I'm really sorry this is happening to you. I had a similar experience in year 5-6. A Mum started a campaign against me and DD which went on till we left primary school and thankfully the family moved away. It had a profound effect on me and DD. We were completely isolated, DD developed selective mutism and I had no friends at all within the parents in DD's year. This continued into DD's secondary school life. I am very shy and never even found out what it was we were supposed to have done!

This woman in your case is definitely toxic. Unlike in my situation, you do have some allies - I would talk to them in detail about what's happened, explain the whole situation and get them fully on side. Can you enlist one of the strongest ones to confront her with you? I have a lot of empathy for your situation and how this is making you withdraw rather than fight your corner. It sounds like everyone is a bit afraid of this woman and tries not to fall out with her. Has your dd noticed this situation at all?

Toughasoldboots · 14/07/2015 19:29

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Chottie · 14/07/2015 19:45

OP - I am so sorry to hear this, this woman sounds unhinged.

I had a similar situation (and my DS is now 34!!) when DS was 6. I just got so fed up with her whispering and obviously talking about me to other mothers that I went over and basically told her if she had something to say, at least have the guts to say it to my face. This was in front of everyone too. Her face was a picture :)

I felt a lot better afterwards and I just looked straight through her until her son left the school when he was about 9. The strange thing was that her husband was always very friendly and chatty to me at swimming galas and fetes etc.

You may not feel comfortable doing this however. But, you can have positive body language, stand tall and confident, say to yourself you are doing this for your DD. Don't let this woman have any head space.

Xenadog · 14/07/2015 20:34

OP you need to call her out on it. Whilst you hide away she is winning and will only step up her campaign even further. I suggest you do several things.

When people report back to you what she has said give them the true picture and include how bad it is making you feel.

Secondly let the school know what she is doing and the impact it is having upon your DD. Don't speak to your child's teacher but speak to the head and remind them of their duty of care to your child's well being.

Thirdly keep a record of everything she has done and continues to do to bully and intimidate you. This may be useful evidence if you decide to go down the solicitor route at a later date.

Lastly always hold your head high when you go to collect/drop off DD and smile and be polite to everyone. If she gives you a dirty look call her on it. Ask what her problem is - in front of everyone - and calmly let her know that this bullying and childish behaviour is ridiculous. Do not hide away and aim to build stronger friendships with the other parents whom you get along with.

This woman sounds vile, rotten to the core and undoubtedly many others see this but are probably too weak to stand up to her. I can't help but imagine that if you did stand up to her she would back down.

WineIsMyMainVice · 14/07/2015 21:09

This woman sounds like a nightmare. I'm so sorry you are in this position.
But like others have said, you have nothing to be embarrassed about!
Just don't let her make this your problem. If you can bear to keep a smile on your face and rise above it, she will see that she's not having an effect on you and soon get bored. If you stay away from clubs and school activities etc then she had won. So make sure that your daughter and you don't miss out on those things. I'm not saying it will be easy to see her at these places, but you have to just keep remembering that you have not done anything wrong.
Good luck.

noclevername · 14/07/2015 21:18

It sounds like this awful woman has a personality disorder. By contrast you sound like a lovely person.

My suggestion (from personal experience of a bullying MIL) is to get some assertiveness training and deploy when in contact with the bully. Easier said than done of course, as these people are horribly practised at their bullying, but it might set a great example to others - not least your daughter - on how to deal with bullies.

mrstweefromtweesville · 14/07/2015 21:24

You are right.
She is wrong.
Change schools. Life is too short to be unhappy.

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 14/07/2015 21:45

OP -Your main issue is that whilst she is isolating you, you are isolating yourself and making her job easier. Stand up start talking to people .... not a sob story ... but explain what happened and DD feeling left out. Its a game and you are helping her win. You can make a plan and feel back in control. Yes to FB.., yes to being more pro active in play dates ... hold your head high.

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