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To think we should cancel our holiday to Tunisia?

282 replies

googlenut · 26/06/2015 22:26

So holiday booked to Sousse with Thomas Cooke. Member of the party include two 84 year olds and a child with autism. Not due to go to the end July but reckon we should just persuade TC to refund or reallocate to different country.

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prepperpig · 27/06/2015 10:41

I really don't understand people who say its the safest time to go. What utter rubbish. 18 tourists were killed a few months ago in Tunisia and now this has happened.

I feel very sad that the world is such a dangerous place at the moment. We somewhat reluctantly went to Egypt three weeks after the riots (although we were at a Red Sea resort) and it was fine but there was a visible increase in security. We changed our holiday plans this year after the museum attack in Tunisia however since tourists were the target there, which was very different from the trouble in Egypt. I think Tunisia will disappear off the map as a tourist destination for a good while which is exactly what the terrorists want. It will be similar to the effect on Egypt of the temple shootings, some years back.

Whilst I want the DCs to see the world I am just accepting that at the moment it's not a good time to do that. We stopped ourselves and reassessed when we realised that we were considering South America to be much safer than much of Asia, Africa and the Middle East. We will show them more of Europe and the US instead. For those who weren't even going to Tunisia to see the country and the historical sites and were just going to sit on a beach it would be a crazy decision to go.

RedToothBrush · 27/06/2015 11:22

I think that we should all have a lot more awareness and understanding of cultural issues when we visit another country as to not do so is disrespectful. I think that Brits are often incredibly insensitive and act like they own somewhere when they visit. I include places in Europe in this. I've seen huge cruise ships land, and over heard people talking about where they are. "Dubrovnik, that's in Greece isn't it?". Its awful. It doesn't take much to learn a little about where you are going. I think its basic manners to be honest.

I think what's happened is bloody dreadful. Its not merited by the behaviour of tourists. However in a world where there is an ongoing tide of them versus us and disillusionment which is being exploited by nut jobs with an agenda of sickening proportions I do think that we, as very ordinary people, could do a lot of good by doing little things like not playing quiet so much up to the negative stereotypes of Brits abroad. It does reinforce prejudices and hostilities.

Personally I don't think I could go to Tunisia on a beach holiday now. But then I wouldn't in the first place, as I do think its a little inappropriate. I would consider a holiday that was more focused on seeing the cultural riches of the country though. The country needs tourism and that visiting places can really help bridge divides and destroy ignorance. Isolation will destroy its economy and poverty is a massive driver of extremism. It will get worse now as a result of tourists staying away which is bloody awful. But like I say I don't think I can criticise anyone for changing their booking now.

I just wish that more people were aware of the problems that a country they are visiting has, and went and spent time and money away from their all inclusive resorts rather than just viewing it as a beach that could quite frankly be anywhere in the world. A few pounds that could make a great deal of difference for both locals and visitors in changing attitudes and lives rather than merely filling the pockets of firms like Thomas Cook.

I suspect this post won't be terribly well received but I lived in a town that was bombed by the IRA. The way forward was to do some deep soul searching and to recognise that our country and our attitudes are not always right and whilst others drive things beyond all levels of the comprehension of humanity we do contribute in small ways towards that we could easily change for the better. Its too easy just to blame those who commit such crimes; sadly they do not exist in a political vacuum either.
If we took more interest in the news and didn't all refer to it as 'boring' or 'not my problem' or thought of awful things as something that just happened to faceless people in a land far away we'd be better off. Its only when it lands in our own back garden that we sit up and take interest. And that's ultimately why such awful things do end up happening; because its the only thing that wakes us up from our nice safe little bubbles of existence. Its not right, but that's how the world works.

Ignorance breeds ignorance. Violence breeds violence. It can come from militant groups. It can come from governments. Ultimately its innocent people that end up paying the price on both sides of the fence.

juneau · 27/06/2015 11:27

I would cancel without a second thought. But then I would never book to go to any Islamic country at the moment - Jordan, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, etc - there is just no way I would risk the lives of the people I love for a holiday. I'd even be prepared to lose money over it, but that's me.

ASettlerOfCatan · 27/06/2015 11:38

I would wait and see what happens right now. TC are good at stuff like this. You will likely find that they extend the deadline for refunds/relocations. At the moment there will be a LOT of holidays booked between now and the date they have specified. They may simply need to get all those sorted out first before they extend the date. I would give it a week and see what happens. The priority for TC right now is to sort out anyone immediately affected in the next 3-4 weeks. Likely all tourist travel to that area will be suspended for a good while.

We had a holiday booked to Egypt a few weeks after the shootings in Luxor years back. They ended up offering us an alternative but I believe it was not immediate but a week or 2 after the event that this alternative was offered.

Purplepixiedust · 27/06/2015 11:45

I agree with ASettler. Give it a few days. Let them deal with the immediate crisis. They have people to get home, worried families and people due to go in the next couple of weeks and need to give them priority. They will most likely extend the date. I wouldn't go at the moment. As much because the mood there will be incredibly somber and there will be hardly anyone there. A place needs time to get over something like this.

JohnCusacksWife · 27/06/2015 11:48

Redtoothbrush, how we're the people who died (of varying nationalities) playing up to the "negative stereotypes of Brits abroad"?

DisappointedOne · 27/06/2015 12:38

So sad to see people succumb to fear. Fear fuels terrorism.

(DH's flight to Egypt has just taken off.)

FreudiansSlipper · 27/06/2015 12:40

Tunisia has been sold to tourists as a beach holiday destination since the 70's it has some amazing beaches

Beaches are used by tourists and locals and not all Tunisian women cover up and will wear costumes at the beach until recently few wore a hijab apart from older women they wear the traditional big white scarf it's not Saudi Hmm

Though Brits abroad can show incredible ignorance not all do even if they are not interested in going to visit the historical sites and are happy lounging by the pool or on the beach that does not make them ignorant

googlenut · 27/06/2015 12:45

So TC willing to relocate us to Tenerife but for a hefty fee. So they will profit twice from this - from their cut of our original holiday and then are relocated holiday. I offered to meet them halfway on the increase but they would only know £10 off. No offer of a full refund which I would have accepted as well. And they were using sales tactics like if you don't book it now it might not be there later. Shocking that they are making money off this tragedy. I'm waiting for now as don't like them pushing me into paying the higher amoun.t.

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googlenut · 27/06/2015 12:46

Would only knock £100 off

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 27/06/2015 12:49

I'm not sure what you mean at all red toothbrush.
The people who were shot on the beach were reinforcing prejudices of westerners? How about the ones shot visiting a museum?
Bizarre.

AnyoneForTennis · 27/06/2015 12:52

What's the fee? Is it a transfer fee or the extra money Tenerife would cost?

Only1scoop · 27/06/2015 12:53

Op have a look and see what departs on that day and what properties are left on Tc website.

Rather than see what they offer you pitch in with alternatives for the days you can travel. Another airport maybe if they have seats.

AnyoneForTennis · 27/06/2015 12:53

The terrorists will strike again. I'm just a bit concerned that herding everyone to a new resort and over populating it will then become a new target for them. Kicking the world when it's down kind of thing

googlenut · 27/06/2015 13:03

The extra cost was for a different destination - but they would be making a profit on that holiday as well

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lem73 · 27/06/2015 13:39

I've lived in a couple of Muslim countries and I think the Brits are some of the nicest tourists. I don't think locals really bother that much about how they dress because they're only there for two weeks and they leave. What I notice about Brits is they are actually usually really nice to the locals. They are the most likely ones to chat away to waiters and hotel staff. The Germans and maybe the French aren't so friendly. I'm basing this on many holidays to Turkey, Egypt, Dubai and Lebanon, so I think I know what I'm talking about. British expats aren't so well behaved but I think their over inflated salaries go to their heads.
My favourite country in the world is Lebanon. Last time I was there was 2005 but politics in that part of the world have become so unstable I don't think it's safe to go back, sadly. My family love going to the Red Sea in Egypt but after yesterday I don't think I could go back either. The Egyptians have a very strong security presence but I couldn't risk my children's safety after seeing the pictures from yesterday. I feel sorry for the Tunisians. I know they desperately need the money.

Inkanta · 27/06/2015 13:44

For a relatively safe and relaxing holiday abroad I would choose to stick with Spain, Greece, and Italy right now.

Sallyingforth · 27/06/2015 13:47

I certainly wouldn't be visiting any country on the south or east of the Mediterranean. There is just too much risk of terrorist attack.

And sadly it's only going to get worse because there seems no way of stopping the extremists.

prepperpig · 27/06/2015 13:54

Interesting that its making people reconsider Turkey too. I agree and wouldn't go to Turkey atm.

Madbengalmum · 27/06/2015 13:54

Unfortunately, as was said this morning by a spokesperson from the foreign office, nowhere in the world can be guaranteed as safe right now.
Yes, i understand the aviodance of Tunisia, eygpt etc. However, based on the threat of terrorism, nobody would go ANYWHERE, as the threat is sadly everywhere in some way.

googlenut · 27/06/2015 14:00

We were offered Turkey but wasn't happy to go there either

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Sallyingforth · 27/06/2015 14:00

prepperpig
I agree about Turkey. I'm glad to have been there and it's a wonderful country. But wouldn't go now.
Ditto Egypt.

Zamboni · 27/06/2015 14:03

Also interested that so many are reconsidering Turkey - we are going out on Monday. Have been before and feel safe and provided the FO advice doesn't change before we fly we will go.